What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

everlast75 · 23-08-2022 07:27AM

More lies and lies and lies.

Penn · 23-08-2022 07:33AM

"ALL documents have been previously declassified."

If they didn't go through the proper declassification process, Trump is f*cked. He's basically admitting he knows there were documents there which had security classification and would have required declassification.

Panrich · 23-08-2022 07:42AM

Unwarranted is an unfortunate choice of words to describe the operation.

everlast75 · 23-08-2022 07:56AM

2016 trump is so angry with 2022 trump!

https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1558186233561583616?t=ugfMRq9MQRHPX1Y8wM6YFw&s=19

Quin_Dub · 23-08-2022 09:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509033#Comment_119509033

That 1st Sentence/Paragraph is painful to read. How many unnecessary commas are in there?

everlast75 · 23-08-2022 10:04AM

Any further thoughts on the motive as to why Trump took the docs?

duploelabs · 23-08-2022 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509656#Comment_119509656

Protection. Trump knows the walls are closing in (pick from the number of cases coming to fruition). He learnt the value of kompromat so when he's sitting across the table when he's charged, he'll simply say that if you charge me then I'll release copies of the documents that I had in MAL to the public

Leroy42 · 23-08-2022 10:49AM

Protection is probably part of it, but IMP it was mostly down to his own ego. He doesn't accept that he is no longer the POTUS. and wants to continue to feel like he is the top dog.

They are valuable items, and as such he wants them so that he can tell people how is has something valuable. not only valuable, but something no one else can get. So priceless really.

He is very much into bragging, that no point in having wealth and power unless everyone knows just how wealthy and powerful you are. His whole life is based on that.

Secondly, I think he genuinely thought he would never be called up on it. He is allowed to get away with pretty much anything, he has never faced a consequence for anything he did as POTUS, including the big lie about the election, that he probably thought that he would just ride it out. The FBI would keep asking and he would do as little as possible to keep them off his back but ultimately they would simply not care enough.

I think that is where the shock, and there is clearly shock, that the FBI actually carried out a search warrant. He assumed it would never ever get to that. He is Donald f Trump, Bestest and most popular POTUS ever. No way they will actually carry through.

everlast75 · 23-08-2022 10:49AM

The reason I ask is because I was reminded this morning that Biden, breaking with tradition, opted to decline Trump getting the classified briefings post presidency.

My thought is that Trump took offence, as he is prone to do, and angerly decided to retaliate by taking a shed load of documents.

I'd like to think that there was something more sinister (such as blackmail, or selling state secrets) so that he would get both barrels of the court, and he may do for other reasons, but I can't shake the notion that the documents fiasco was just was him being a spiteful little b*tch.

Penn · 23-08-2022 10:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509872#Comment_119509872

I'd be willing to bet some of the documents pre-date the election, and that for most of the documents, Trump took them for the reason he does everything else; because he could* and it might benefit him.

*"could" meaning believed he could because he felt he could do whatever he wanted, regardless of the fact it was illegal to take them

robinph · 23-08-2022 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509797#Comment_119509797

Which might work if you have documents that a 3rd party country don't want released, but when the state whose secrets you are threatening to release is the same one that you are currently residing in and the one that is taking the legal action against you for having said documents... Threatening to release the documents that you claim not to have isn't going to be the greatest defense ever.

So that does make it very likely that it's what his "plan" is, if you could ever claim Trump was capable of thinking more than half a step ahead.

relax carry on · 23-08-2022 11:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509033#Comment_119509033

Is his use of caps lock for certain words deliberate for his supporters who may be a bit challenged in the reading department? Or is it a sign of his anger?

duploelabs · 23-08-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509981#Comment_119509981

Well that's my point, if they make it clear that they have them bang to rights on all charges what other option does he have but the 'nuclear' option (if you'll forgive the choice of word) to lessen the charges

Hoop66 · 23-08-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509872#Comment_119509872

Absolutely, this is exactly the way Trump's mind works.

What is very interesting is Biden's decision not to grant Trump the traditional classified briefing. It seems possible that the IC were aware of Trump having these docs already and may have been aware (through foreign intel) that he was sharing the contents. It would have been impossible for them to take the docs from him when he was president of course, so I wonder if this is them finally getting to do what they've wanted to do since he left office.

ohnonotgmail · 23-08-2022 11:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510144#Comment_119510144

Quite possibly they thought the briefings were a waste of time as he never listened to them when he was president.

ohnonotgmail · 23-08-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510030#Comment_119510030

It is all part of a secret code that only the Q people can understand.

robinph · 23-08-2022 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510139#Comment_119510139

But if he's in the US and under constant cover of the Secret Service (admitedly they are just there in a personal protection capacity, but if he was about to commit treason they would surely be obliged to take action to prevent it if possible).

If he threatened to release the documents then he instantly looses the capability to do so. It's an empty threat whilst he's in the US and being followed by government agents 24/7.

Quin_Dub · 23-08-2022 11:54AM

I suspect that he took the documents for a variety of reasons.

Vanity & hubris , because he thought they were cool and made him look good - Like the Kim Jong Un letters that he apparently took.

He loves to show off and act the big man so I have absolutely no doubt that he took "cool stuff" that he could show his rich friends to bragg - "Hey check out these secret Satellite photos of a Russian missile base that I have , Cool huh??!

I also suspect that he took some of them for self preservation knowing that he was in the middle of his second impeachment and that more stuff was coming . I am firmly convinced that some of the stuff that he held on to until the FBI raid relate to some of his communications and deliberations regarding the Elections.

I also think that some of the stuff that he kept on to are tied to "Russia-gate" etc. , stuff that he thinks that give him leverage , there were reports that he was trying to declassify some stuff related to Peter Strock etc. just beofre he left office , but was knocked back by the DOJ.

Economics101 · 23-08-2022 11:55AM

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Looking at the timelines, I think it was reported on Feb 6, 2021 that President Biden had denied Trump access to classified information. This was after Trump had packed his bags and left the White House, so Trump's taking documents himself cannot have been in retaliation. Mind you, he would love to spin such a tale as it would seem show to his followers he has a grievance.

And of course the Trump White house denied President-elect Biden access to intelligence in the weeks after Biden won the election. There is no end to Trump's lies and hypocrisy.

Quin_Dub · 23-08-2022 11:59AM

Another pretty spectacular own goal by Team Trump , this time they have released a letter from the National Records people which *I think* they thought made Biden look bad , but all it shows was that Trump has known for months that they were coming and that he had been told repeatedly to comply with the requests for the return of the documents.

The article has been described as "extraordinarily damaging to Trump".

The National Archives and Records Administration waited until May 12 to give the FBI access to the highly classified documents retrieved from former President Donald Trump in January, despite the Justice Department's "urgent" requests for the materials, according to a letter from National Archivist Debra Wall released late Monday by conservative journalist John Solomon, one of Trump's two authorized NARA liaisons.

The May 10 letter to Trump's lawyers also affirms that the National Archives found more than 700 pages of classified documents, including "special access program materials" — among the most highly classified secretes in government — in the 15 boxes recovered from Trump's Mar-a-Lago complex. More classified material was taken from Mar-a-Lago by the FBI in June and August.

Much of the letter covers Wall's rejection of a request by Trump's lawyers to shield the documents from the FBI on executive privilege grounds. The White House counsel said President Biden "defers to my determination," Wall wrote, and after discussions with the Office of Legal Counsel, "the question in this case is not a close one."

everlast75 · 23-08-2022 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510201#Comment_119510201

I don't think the fact that he took stuff before the decision to no longer brief him is relevant.

Anyone could see that coming.

He was a counter intelligence nightmare while president; of course he was not going to be told anything after he left.

He knew he lost and he knew he would be excluded so his petty self decided to take *his* toys and go home with them.

Quin_Dub · 23-08-2022 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510192#Comment_119510192

How would they know?

Some random Golfclub member with direct/indirect links to a foreign power has dinner with Trump and is brought on a tour and gets shown "the trophy room" where Trump has all his "POTUS goodies" stashed including a bunch of classified materials .

Is that treason/espionage or just a sad old man bragging about past glories?

There's also the fact that Mar-a-Lago just isn't secure - There are multiple reports of people having pretty much free run of the place so potentially any number of people may have been able to access the boxes of documents.

robinph · 23-08-2022 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510223#Comment_119510223

He's an idiot, surrounded by idiots.

I can't believe any claims of forward planning in anything that Trump does, and never have. He just does whatever pops into his head at that moment. There is no plan of do X so that Y does Z and then Trump wins. Its just a case of "That looks interesting, let's hit it and see what mess it makes".

There was potentially some forward planning in what Trump was directed to do by the likes of Bannon, but for Trump himself he's totally incapable of understanding even the most basic consequences of any thoughts that spill out of his brain.

Quin_Dub · 23-08-2022 12:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510354#Comment_119510354

Completely agree with you , everything he does is a reflexive reaction to the current situation , the only thing that holds his attention for any length of time is revenge.

He half read that letter and saw something in there about "Biden White house agrees" and just thought "That makes it look like Biden is involved , release it"

robinph · 23-08-2022 12:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510322#Comment_119510322

They would know if he was making a threat to release documents or do something.

They admittedly won't know what stupid things he's doing day to day, but if he makes a statement about "I'm going to release X unless you make me president again" then they know by virtue of his own stupidity.

duploelabs · 23-08-2022 12:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510192#Comment_119510192

'hey Steve, if you don't hear from me in 48 hours, release the documents' it's as simple as that

Akrasia · 23-08-2022 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510425#Comment_119510425

Will Trump's army of monsters who support him believe his spin that Biden was involved?

The truth or facts don't matter. They will spin anything and repeat any lie that they think supports Trump

jolivmmx · 23-08-2022 12:47PM

Only 57% of Americans agree with the Trump investigation continuing. I seriously don’t get it? Do they not care about what is at stake?

robinph · 23-08-2022 12:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510463#Comment_119510463

For any competent person who could think that far ahead, and not instantly blurt out their plans on social media the moment they pop into their head, and who also isn't going to have left a trail of exactly who they have met with recently.

If he gets taken in by law enforcement and then threatens to release documents if he's not let go then how long would it really take for them to figure out who on the outside is the "Steve". They will have instant access to where he's been and who he's met. Maybe not any phone calls, but I don't think his phone is the most secure thing ever. From his time on Twitter hadn't people managed to figure out what patch level of iPhone he was running when posting his various shouting tweets from the bathroom of a morning?

You could potentially make such a plan with "Steve" to release said documents, Trump can't as "Steve" is going to be known fairly easily.

ohnonotgmail · 23-08-2022 12:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510515#Comment_119510515

I think the party affiliation breakdown of that 57% would be interesting.

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