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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • #14642
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508645#Comment_119508645

    This is exactly the ultra-liberal abuse of the 2nd Amendment I was previously referring to.

    Do us all a favor, and please take a few minutes to read all 7 pages of the Constitution.

    Article I states Congress [shall have the power]:

    To provide for calling forth the Militia* to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; [TLDR->> *]

    It also states:

    The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

    And also:

    The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

    Article II states:

    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


    Article III states:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    Article IV States:

    A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

    The 14th Amendment states:

    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.


    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


    *TLDR: The constitution does not extend some hidden-text right in the 2nd amendment to insurrection or rebellion. To the contrary, it expressly criminalizes Treason, Insurrection, and Rebellion in numerous places both within the original five article Constitution and its Amendments. AND IT EMPOWERS THE CONGRESS TO CALL UPON THE MILITIA TO SUPPRESS IT!

    Against all that, you argued that "security of a free state" is meant to read "Right to insurrection, rebellion, or treason?"

    Sure, Jan.



  • #14643
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1561874536018092032?t=SZevJ7VskczNIHomlOk-1g&s=19

    So.. he went through them himself?

    Now he has to either admit that he did it, or that he made a mistake and didn't know what was classified docs and what was not. Can't see him admitting that with his ego...

    Catch 22

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #14644
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭francois


    More GQP criminality


    https://twitter.com/HeidiReports/status/1556426335635095553?t=PZOqEMHtLigTPnxRs1j-ZA&s=19


    https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status/1561875948621946885?t=LvIlcbck5H8eQP5yD_VbVA&s=19



  • #14645
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    20220823_082651.jpg

    More lies and lies and lies.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #14646
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,843 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "ALL documents have been previously declassified."

    If they didn't go through the proper declassification process, Trump is f*cked. He's basically admitting he knows there were documents there which had security classification and would have required declassification.



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  • #14647
    Panrich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Unwarranted is an unfortunate choice of words to describe the operation.



  • #14648
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    2016 trump is so angry with 2022 trump!


    https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1558186233561583616?t=ugfMRq9MQRHPX1Y8wM6YFw&s=19


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #14649
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509033#Comment_119509033

    That 1st Sentence/Paragraph is painful to read. How many unnecessary commas are in there?



  • #14650
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Any further thoughts on the motive as to why Trump took the docs?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #14651
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509656#Comment_119509656

    Protection. Trump knows the walls are closing in (pick from the number of cases coming to fruition). He learnt the value of kompromat so when he's sitting across the table when he's charged, he'll simply say that if you charge me then I'll release copies of the documents that I had in MAL to the public



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  • #14652
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,091 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Protection is probably part of it, but IMP it was mostly down to his own ego. He doesn't accept that he is no longer the POTUS. and wants to continue to feel like he is the top dog.

    They are valuable items, and as such he wants them so that he can tell people how is has something valuable. not only valuable, but something no one else can get. So priceless really.

    He is very much into bragging, that no point in having wealth and power unless everyone knows just how wealthy and powerful you are. His whole life is based on that.

    Secondly, I think he genuinely thought he would never be called up on it. He is allowed to get away with pretty much anything, he has never faced a consequence for anything he did as POTUS, including the big lie about the election, that he probably thought that he would just ride it out. The FBI would keep asking and he would do as little as possible to keep them off his back but ultimately they would simply not care enough.

    I think that is where the shock, and there is clearly shock, that the FBI actually carried out a search warrant. He assumed it would never ever get to that. He is Donald f Trump, Bestest and most popular POTUS ever. No way they will actually carry through.



  • #14653
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The reason I ask is because I was reminded this morning that Biden, breaking with tradition, opted to decline Trump getting the classified briefings post presidency.

    My thought is that Trump took offence, as he is prone to do, and angerly decided to retaliate by taking a shed load of documents.

    I'd like to think that there was something more sinister (such as blackmail, or selling state secrets) so that he would get both barrels of the court, and he may do for other reasons, but I can't shake the notion that the documents fiasco was just was him being a spiteful little b*tch.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #14654
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,843 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509872#Comment_119509872

    I'd be willing to bet some of the documents pre-date the election, and that for most of the documents, Trump took them for the reason he does everything else; because he could* and it might benefit him.


    *"could" meaning believed he could because he felt he could do whatever he wanted, regardless of the fact it was illegal to take them



  • #14655
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509797#Comment_119509797

    Which might work if you have documents that a 3rd party country don't want released, but when the state whose secrets you are threatening to release is the same one that you are currently residing in and the one that is taking the legal action against you for having said documents... Threatening to release the documents that you claim not to have isn't going to be the greatest defense ever.


    So that does make it very likely that it's what his "plan" is, if you could ever claim Trump was capable of thinking more than half a step ahead.



  • #14656
    relax carry on
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509033#Comment_119509033

    Is his use of caps lock for certain words deliberate for his supporters who may be a bit challenged in the reading department? Or is it a sign of his anger?



  • #14657
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509981#Comment_119509981

    Well that's my point, if they make it clear that they have them bang to rights on all charges what other option does he have but the 'nuclear' option (if you'll forgive the choice of word) to lessen the charges



  • #14658
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509872#Comment_119509872

    Absolutely, this is exactly the way Trump's mind works.

    What is very interesting is Biden's decision not to grant Trump the traditional classified briefing. It seems possible that the IC were aware of Trump having these docs already and may have been aware (through foreign intel) that he was sharing the contents. It would have been impossible for them to take the docs from him when he was president of course, so I wonder if this is them finally getting to do what they've wanted to do since he left office.



  • #14659
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,948 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510144#Comment_119510144

    Quite possibly they thought the briefings were a waste of time as he never listened to them when he was president.



  • #14660
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,948 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510030#Comment_119510030

    It is all part of a secret code that only the Q people can understand.



  • #14661
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510139#Comment_119510139

    But if he's in the US and under constant cover of the Secret Service (admitedly they are just there in a personal protection capacity, but if he was about to commit treason they would surely be obliged to take action to prevent it if possible).

    If he threatened to release the documents then he instantly looses the capability to do so. It's an empty threat whilst he's in the US and being followed by government agents 24/7.



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  • #14662
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I suspect that he took the documents for a variety of reasons.

    Vanity & hubris , because he thought they were cool and made him look good - Like the Kim Jong Un letters that he apparently took.

    He loves to show off and act the big man so I have absolutely no doubt that he took "cool stuff" that he could show his rich friends to bragg - "Hey check out these secret Satellite photos of a Russian missile base that I have , Cool huh??!

    I also suspect that he took some of them for self preservation knowing that he was in the middle of his second impeachment and that more stuff was coming . I am firmly convinced that some of the stuff that he held on to until the FBI raid relate to some of his communications and deliberations regarding the Elections.

    I also think that some of the stuff that he kept on to are tied to "Russia-gate" etc. , stuff that he thinks that give him leverage , there were reports that he was trying to declassify some stuff related to Peter Strock etc. just beofre he left office , but was knocked back by the DOJ.



  • #14663
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Economics101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509872#Comment_119509872

    Looking at the timelines, I think it was reported on Feb 6, 2021 that President Biden had denied Trump access to classified information. This was after Trump had packed his bags and left the White House, so Trump's taking documents himself cannot have been in retaliation. Mind you, he would love to spin such a tale as it would seem show to his followers he has a grievance.

    And of course the Trump White house denied President-elect Biden access to intelligence in the weeks after Biden won the election. There is no end to Trump's lies and hypocrisy.



  • #14664
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Another pretty spectacular own goal by Team Trump , this time they have released a letter from the National Records people which *I think* they thought made Biden look bad , but all it shows was that Trump has known for months that they were coming and that he had been told repeatedly to comply with the requests for the return of the documents.

    The article has been described as "extraordinarily damaging to Trump".

    The National Archives and Records Administration waited until May 12 to give the FBI access to the highly classified documents retrieved from former President Donald Trump in January, despite the Justice Department's "urgent" requests for the materials, according to a letter from National Archivist Debra Wall released late Monday by conservative journalist John Solomon, one of Trump's two authorized NARA liaisons. 

    The May 10 letter to Trump's lawyers also affirms that the National Archives found more than 700 pages of classified documents, including "special access program materials" — among the most highly classified secretes in government — in the 15 boxes recovered from Trump's Mar-a-Lago complex. More classified material was taken from Mar-a-Lago by the FBI in June and August. 


    Much of the letter covers Wall's rejection of a request by Trump's lawyers to shield the documents from the FBI on executive privilege grounds. The White House counsel said President Biden "defers to my determination," Wall wrote, and after discussions with the Office of Legal Counsel, "the question in this case is not a close one." 



  • #14665
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510201#Comment_119510201

    I don't think the fact that he took stuff before the decision to no longer brief him is relevant.

    Anyone could see that coming.

    He was a counter intelligence nightmare while president; of course he was not going to be told anything after he left.

    He knew he lost and he knew he would be excluded so his petty self decided to take *his* toys and go home with them.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #14666
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510192#Comment_119510192

    How would they know?

    Some random Golfclub member with direct/indirect links to a foreign power has dinner with Trump and is brought on a tour and gets shown "the trophy room" where Trump has all his "POTUS goodies" stashed including a bunch of classified materials .

    Is that treason/espionage or just a sad old man bragging about past glories?

    There's also the fact that Mar-a-Lago just isn't secure - There are multiple reports of people having pretty much free run of the place so potentially any number of people may have been able to access the boxes of documents.



  • #14667
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510223#Comment_119510223

    He's an idiot, surrounded by idiots.

    I can't believe any claims of forward planning in anything that Trump does, and never have. He just does whatever pops into his head at that moment. There is no plan of do X so that Y does Z and then Trump wins. Its just a case of "That looks interesting, let's hit it and see what mess it makes".


    There was potentially some forward planning in what Trump was directed to do by the likes of Bannon, but for Trump himself he's totally incapable of understanding even the most basic consequences of any thoughts that spill out of his brain.



  • #14668
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510354#Comment_119510354

    Completely agree with you , everything he does is a reflexive reaction to the current situation , the only thing that holds his attention for any length of time is revenge.

    He half read that letter and saw something in there about "Biden White house agrees" and just thought "That makes it look like Biden is involved , release it"



  • #14669
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510322#Comment_119510322

    They would know if he was making a threat to release documents or do something.


    They admittedly won't know what stupid things he's doing day to day, but if he makes a statement about "I'm going to release X unless you make me president again" then they know by virtue of his own stupidity.



  • #14670
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510192#Comment_119510192

    'hey Steve, if you don't hear from me in 48 hours, release the documents' it's as simple as that



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  • #14671
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510425#Comment_119510425

    Will Trump's army of monsters who support him believe his spin that Biden was involved?

    The truth or facts don't matter. They will spin anything and repeat any lie that they think supports Trump

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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