What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2022 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500413#Comment_119500413

That's the same with anti-woke everywhere - especially boards.ie

Faugheen · 21-08-2022 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501116#Comment_119501116

Exactly. The amount of people here who use ‘urrr durrr woke’ when they havent the first clue what it means is astounding.

extra gravy · 21-08-2022 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501187#Comment_119501187

The best part is they think it's an insult when in reality it's actually a compliment. It just shows them up for the morons they are.

Penn · 21-08-2022 02:28PM

It's just the evolution of everything Trump and Fox News have been peddling for years. Fake news, Lock her up, Build the wall, Drain the swamp, Mainstream media, Trump Derangement Syndrome....

Short soundbites which actually are completely meaningless and without any actual substance or intelligence behind them. Easy to remember phrases which can be thrown out to try act as a counterpoint but doesn't mean anything.

Same with "woke". It's now just thrown out to describe any kind of movement towards treating people equally or with respect, but framing it as a bad thing. Treating people equally means not treating straight white people as being better or having an advantage, and is therefore bad for straight white people. But they can't frame it so directly like that, so instead it's "woke".

Overheal · 21-08-2022 04:16PM

Within days, Jones has tucked tail

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1561349960146239496?s=21&t=xjwGC4JcvvBfJx7Uu5FCDQ

Overheal · 21-08-2022 04:50PM

Getting roasted on your own golf course

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/wu11be/trump_gets_made_fun_of_by_fellow_golf_bros/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Overheal · 21-08-2022 05:36PM

Celebrating the end of slavery, thanks in no small part to Lincoln, the daddy of Republicanism (and a huge Progressive nerd who got fan Mail from Karl Marx) is woke you guys, don’t bring it up again

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1561087101998755841?s=21&t=6qSbra-E9BeFehH0KwsoBg

briany · 21-08-2022 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501547#Comment_119501547

Infamously, Tucker Carlson was very direct, regarding your last paragraph, in one of his sermons last year, where he cites the 'Great Replacement' theory and the desire by Biden and co. to replace 'legacy Americans' with 'more obedient people from faraway countries'.

https://youtu.be/Z_0iFBJPWoY?t=155

It's not even dogwhistling when you start talking like that.

But Fox News has to say this kind of thing, lest they lose their ratings. The proliferation of social media has allowed a whole other level of crassness and craziness to flourish in American politics. The kind where it's not that unusual to say that those on the left are literally demons in human form.

Overheal · 21-08-2022 06:35PM

New poll now shows that threats to democracy are at the top of midterm issues

https://www.mediaite.com/news/new-poll-americans-consider-threats-to-democracy-the-most-important-issue-ahead-of-midterm-elections/

banie01 · 21-08-2022 08:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502497#Comment_119502497

One would hope that it is a sign that the saner folk in the States are finally paying attention to the threat their democracy is under and just what is at stake.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2022 08:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502497#Comment_119502497

Do Trump supporters see themselves as a threat to Democracy?

21-08-2022 08:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502995#Comment_119502995

I think it swings both ways. "Biden stole the election" is their threat to democracy.

Overheal · 21-08-2022 09:49PM

Trump forgot Elaine Chao was his Secretary of Transportation and implicated her in a series of crimes his administration really ought to have looked into

Tony EH · 21-08-2022 11:47PM

^

It makes you wonder if there's any kind of logical end game to any of this. Or is it all just a massive clusterfuck of faux propping up, then bitching later? Is it all just Bannonesque "flood the zone with shit"?

It's all so incredibly chaotic, it's impossible to see what there is to actually support in the whole bizarre movement.

everlast75 · 22-08-2022 07:36AM

Wasn't there a trump fan here claiming that dems always hold themselves out as victims?

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1561513368917360648?t=vj5IHiZ907iJ4rMigyo1nA&s=19

briany · 22-08-2022 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119503666#Comment_119503666

Donald Trump says crazy sh*t. Sane, objective people say "Wow. That was some crazy sh*t." and Trump's supporters go, "Haha. Triggered. Love Trump."

Although it's tempting to feel gobsmacked by many of the things that Trump says, and I've certainly fallen for that temptation, it's really just a part of Steve Bannon's stated tactic of 'flood the zone with sh*t'. I don't know if it's deliberate on Trump's part - it's highly arguable that it's just his natural inclination these days to sound off - but the result is the same either way. Do something outrageous and the media reports on it, but that draws attention away from moves being made in the background of true political consequence. Also, by normalising crazy, you destroy any kind of middle ground. What's commonly accepted as true or right gets called into question, leading to chaos. Out of that chaos comes the chance to refashion the political order to your own liking. Not saying that Bannon and co. will be successful in that attempt, but it's their best opportunity.

extra gravy · 22-08-2022 04:30PM

https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1561387930622611456?t=9N3ABnc41Hr4us4_FE61eg&s=19

"I had no involvement in the murder your honour, when I pulled the trigger it only lasted seconds. OK?"

everlast75 · 22-08-2022 04:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506355#Comment_119506355

"Literally, my involvement lasted seconds"

A similar line was uttered by Trump when attempting to excuse his dalliance with Stormy Daniels..

briany · 22-08-2022 06:13PM

Just gonna commit a little bit of treason, Stan.

everlast75 · 22-08-2022 08:18PM

Interesting body language...

https://twitter.com/YGalanter/status/1561764494208106499?t=DlTHhRGbidFnVWUNsn7Ivw&s=09

Overheal · 22-08-2022 09:02PM

Remember Trump had trouble finding lawyers?

His latest filing is PRO SE

🥹

https://twitter.com/alex_mallin/status/1561816441225183234?s=21&t=A5ybnDraZkUNSGunsEW6hw

ohnonotgmail · 22-08-2022 09:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119507992#Comment_119507992

Even with his problems finding attorneys that is hard to believe

banie01 · 22-08-2022 09:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119507992#Comment_119507992

Unfortunately it appears that there are 3 lawyers on the brief and that rather than representing himself, it's just a really bad piece of legal writing. That said? If the 3 amigos are that bad at boilerplate? He may actually be better off representing himself 😉

https://twitter.com/DansBackupAcct/status/1561824982631469056?t=YNKscuRgmruiE8DwFCPVeg&s=19

xxxxxxl · 22-08-2022 10:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506781#Comment_119506781

Is Treason in a USA situation helping an enemy your at war with. Could be wrong.

just to add

Is revolution legal in the US?

Increasingly, as Americans included it in their constitutions, the right of revolution came to be seen as a constitutional principle permitting the people as the sovereign to control government and revise their constitutions without limit.

Overheal · 22-08-2022 10:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508496#Comment_119508496

Nope. Revolution is not a constitutional right.

Article V is the right of the people to revise the constitution as often as they see fit, as a mechanism within the constitution. No revolutions required.

The whackadoodles who spout this try to use an ironically very (very) liberal interpretation of the 2nd amendment, while ignoring myriad other places in the constitution where things like Insurrection and Treason are expressly called out as not being constitutional.

Who has time to read 7 pages anyway?

https://youtu.be/snOHLxoyAZ4

Advocating to overthrow the government, 18 U.S. Code § 2385, is a 20 year criminal offense.

22-08-2022 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508496#Comment_119508496

It's a little bit weird to just post a quote without even referencing the source.... You omitted the portion where it states that constitutional states can amend their constitution and put in place new governments, making a right to revolution not a relevant thing. On top of that, a violent revolution to be viewed as semi okay requires it to be under some form of an oppressive regime... The US has issues but is not a totalitarian state and Trump is not some freedom fighter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_revolution#:~:text=In%20political%20philosophy%2C%20the%20right,of%20the%20people%20without%20cause.

The constitutional logic of recognizing the people, not a king, as the sovereign implied the irrelevance of a right of revolution in America. This did not develop instantly or uniformly after the establishment of American governments. Some of the first state constitutions included "alter or abolish" provisions that mirrored the traditional right of revolution. ... Other state constitutions adopted different versions of this right to "alter or abolish" government that did not sound like the traditional right of revolution. In these provisions, the ability of the people to revise constitutions existed regardless of the traditional preconditions for the right of revolution. ... Increasingly, as Americans included it in their constitutions, the right of revolution came to be seen as a constitutional principle permitting the people as the sovereign to control government and revise their constitutions without limit. In this way, the right broke loose from its traditional moorings of resistance to oppression. The alter or abolish provisions could now be interpreted consistent with the constitutional principle that in America, the sovereign was the people

xxxxxxl · 22-08-2022 11:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508612#Comment_119508612

Who said trump was a freedom fighter. I simply put my loose knowledge up.

Amendment II (1791)

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Seems odd if you dont support the right to displace a government via revolution. Has Scotus ruled on this. take sedition it's not in there either. i'm using this link.

https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

Overheal · 23-08-2022 12:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508645#Comment_119508645

This is exactly the ultra-liberal abuse of the 2nd Amendment I was previously referring to.

Do us all a favor, and please take a few minutes to read all 7 pages of the Constitution.

Article I states Congress [shall have the power]:

To provide for calling forth the Militia* to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; [TLDR->> *]

It also states:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

And also:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Article II states:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article III states:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Article IV States:

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

The 14th Amendment states:

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

*TLDR: The constitution does not extend some hidden-text right in the 2nd amendment to insurrection or rebellion. To the contrary, it expressly criminalizes Treason, Insurrection, and Rebellion in numerous places both within the original five article Constitution and its Amendments. AND IT EMPOWERS THE CONGRESS TO CALL UPON THE MILITIA TO SUPPRESS IT!

Against all that, you argued that "security of a free state" is meant to read "Right to insurrection, rebellion, or treason?"

Sure, Jan.

everlast75 · 23-08-2022 05:56AM

https://twitter.com/RobertMaguire_/status/1561874536018092032?t=SZevJ7VskczNIHomlOk-1g&s=19

So.. he went through them himself?

Now he has to either admit that he did it, or that he made a mistake and didn't know what was classified docs and what was not. Can't see him admitting that with his ego...

Catch 22

francois · 23-08-2022 07:02AM

More GQP criminality

https://twitter.com/HeidiReports/status/1556426335635095553?t=PZOqEMHtLigTPnxRs1j-ZA&s=19

https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status/1561875948621946885?t=LvIlcbck5H8eQP5yD_VbVA&s=19

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