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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    It is pick a number between 1-100% easy. What next you're going 200% the speed of light.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You said hydro, interconnectors and green hydrogen would cover the shortfall if we get low wind in winter.

    I’ve pointed out there is very little hydro coming onto the system (360MW silver mines).

    The interconnectors only work if the other grids have something to spare.

    So by the process of elimination that means we will be depending on green hydrogen when we have low wind in winter, due to us having no gas in the mix by 2050 as you say yourself.

    Am I correct in the above summary?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Temporary blackouts?

    So if the supply of gas is stopped for a week we will be short 70% of our gas supply.

    This gas and other fossil fuels supplies approximately 60% of our electricity.

    If the lack of gas coincides with a period of low wind in winter, the grid has to shed load.

    The load stays off until either more generation comes on or the overall demand falls to match the supply.

    The blackouts wouldn’t end until either the wind starts generating or the gas/coal/oil supply comes back on stream.

    Unless Eirgrid initiates rolling blackouts which turn off certain areas of the grid for an hour or two and then alternates to another area after that.

    Whatever way it’s managed it won’t be good for attracting new business to Ireland and keeping existing business here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Stop digging that hole. It's clear you just don't get it.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306



    So wrong. It was Max Planck who said that "science advances one funeral at a time" as old orthodoxies are rarely overthrown but have to wait for their proponents to die. Nevertheless, it is indisputable that there is a strong consensus around the idea that humans are contributing to climate change. Unfortunately the public dogma around this consensus is that all peer-reviewed science should be treated as if divinely etched on stone tablets.

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    Nothing could be further from the truth. Important advances emerge falteringly from among a vast ocean of bullshit science. I've been reading original climate science literature for at least a decade and a half. That is easily long enough to have encountered scads of academic papers that were comically, laughably wrong. (I'm not a climate scientist, nor a scientist of any ilk, but I've got graduate and post-graduate qualifications in several hard science subjects -- I know how to read academic papers critically). Science is a bit like popular music -- we all know great music that has stood the test of time, but anyone who is past the first flush of youth realises that most of it ends up on the scrap heap of history, never to be heard of again.

    More sinister is the fact that even "respectable" science is rarely reported accurately in the popular media. It varies between over-sensationalised and flat out wrong. The upshot is that the public perception of climate science often doesn't even accord with what the published work says, let alone grasp its complexities and uncertainties. How else can we explain the hysteria that has taken hold? I've seen mainstream media stories about human civilisation ending by 2050, twenty feet of sea level rise in the next several decades, a billion people displaced by climate change, the entire Earth becoming an unlivable wasteland, and so on. It's no wonder that we have catastrophists gluing themselves to trains, slashing the tyres of SUVs, and seeking treatment for climate-related depression.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    You posted a photo on a public forum, as for your second sentence - more gibberish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Great lads back in the day for carving and building those statues under water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    We have myriads of consensus, now we just need the data :D

    I personally have two published scientific articles and know plenty of people who have published many more. "The science" will always fit the narrative of those who provide the funding.

    Most papers are complex messes, like overly-abstract works of art for the soul purpose that nobody will understand them, let alone peer review or cite in their own work.

    Sure enough many of these make up the spurious annual IPCC reports that comically have 200+ authors.

    Einstein, in response to one hundred authors who published a paper dismissing his theory of relativity, he said: "to defeat relativity one should not need 100 scientists, just one fact"

    I won't hold my breath...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    All the green policies in relation to energy will end quick fast in the next few months as the consequences of two decades of stupidity bare down on all of us




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    That’s an answer you might not like it but that’s your problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭gw80


    Ireland has been left very exposed in regards to energy security, which I think will now become a key point for company's deciding where to invest in,

    I'm sure company's like Intel are not to happy about talks of rolling blackouts coming down the line, not that the Irish government would turn off the power at Intel before switching off swathes of irish homes first.

    If company's stop investing here and company's already here start to leave, where do people think we will get the money to implement these green energy systems,

    Let the bigger,richer country's develop these green systems first and when they are fit for purpose, ireland can implement them,

    As it stands Ireland has very little heavy industry,we can use fossil fuels and still not be adding a whole lot of carbon emissions,

    Build the LNG terminals,



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is no talk of rolling blackouts

    As for Intel, they seem happy to expand into Germany which has vastly higher energy concerns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭gw80


    That was before the war in Ukraine, I bet they are having second taughts now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    But there is talks of energy insecurity this winter.

    You may not have heard due to having your head buried in the sand along with the energy minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    People talk. We had winter lockdown warnings this time last year. It's a combination of preparing for the worst case and the media sniffing out the kind of stories we can't help clicking on. In truth few if any can get the future right and these declarations always suggest possibilities and include may, could or might. Those words do not refer to facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yes. the possibility of temporary blackouts compared with irreversible permanent (in human timeframes) damage to our climate.

    Your grandparents put up with much worse sacrifices in the effort to stop fascism spreading in Europe.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Show me the 1 fact that disproves the scientific consensus on climate change

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You contradict yourself in your own post.

    If there are blackouts they will be managed so that minimum economic disruption is caused. We should be requiring data centres to have on site energy storage so that they could be shut down from the grid at peak demand and they can run from their storage and recharge them off peak.

    California had unexpected rolling blackouts last year and the year before and multiple times before that since 2000 and the sky did not fall.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Energy insecurity is a risk analysis that if x y and z all happen at the same time it could impact our energy supply.

    What is the percentage risk that we will have blackouts this winter?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Germany lowering taxes on gas after chancellor is met with protests



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    It would be quicker to just say that you think man made climate change is a hoax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I don’t think the concept of countries was a thing 10,000 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Name some of those climate science papers that are bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Doing nothing is fine but when you get a headlight into the face it’s to late to do anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You almost got it right; just delete 'sand along with'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There are thousands of BS papers in the scientific literature but the scientific consensus is evidence based, not a matter of counting the papers and averaging the conclusions. 1 paper with enough evidence can overturn a consensus built on 1000 papers with weak evidence or resting on poor foundations.

    However climate science is one of the most heavily studied areas in recent decades and lots of scientists who were very strongly motivated to find weaknesses in the consensus have failed to produce anything to explain the observations.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭ginger22


    just goes to show the fanatic thinking behind green policy when you compare it to the fight against fascism. Nuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Right so you reckon it’s just talk.

    Let’s look at the facts.

    Fossil fuels generate at least 60% of our electricity in fact gas is generating 54% of our electricity demand right now.

    Theres a good chance has supply’s will be in short supply this winter due to Nordstrom 1 going offline and Norway maxed out at the moment.

    As we have no gas storage and we get 70% of our gas via a non EU member, our grid is very exposed to blackouts due to a lack of gas.

    These are all facts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




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