Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Oh Right. That explains it. We should see a reduction so going forward?

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#excess-mortality

Thats ireland. You remember the cyber hack..

It was only an observation..I see fertility rates are also reducing. Strange. That climate change thing is really taking off.

Strange You seem to start speaking in riddles every time the "question you just asked" is challenged with data.

any links to back that statement up other than graphs showing the excess? (the excess isn't a secret by the way)

the publicly available statistics still have long term cardiac illness and cancer as the top killers with increases in both... the data seems more indicative to excess mortality due to the shutdown of consultations during COVID, as it can be seen from other countries where the health services opened up much earlier or didn't stop at all during COVID, have lower excess mortality rates.

No do you? What you think might me causing it? Are we going to blame the lockdowns? I said the lockdowns would do this 2 years ago and was ridiculed by the pro lockdown addicts.

Yep Jan 21, before another wave, before 2 further variants and before most EU countries had even vaccinated their high risk categories....

Also, only a resolution which is only a recommendation, not a law.

While the sentiment was nice, pragmatism rightly took over..

I'm pretty sure Austria crapped all over every single one of those recommendations too (those guys made NPHET look like pussycats)

In the study you cited there were 3 times as many cases in unvaccinated as vaccinated during the period of the vaccine rollout.

You seem to be implying that vaccine mandates were a deliberate ploy undertaken because authorities did not have confidence in the vaccines. Your claim is without merit or foundation.

What coercion? You keep shifting the word used every time you are challenged on it. It is like trying to pin jellyfish to a wall. It is a deliberate strategy of evasion and obfuscation and going round in circles.

No wonder you struggle with the logic of it. It didn't happen that way and you have provided zero evidence to convince anyone else of it.

You talk about bad trial data and then keep ignoring the point to you:

In the study you cited there were 3 times as many cases in unvaccinated as vaccinated during the period of the vaccine rollout.

There is absolutely zero evidence of your claim. Negative - all the evidence is to the contrary.

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that authorities saw 'bad' data and therefore felt they had to use vaccine mandates to get more people vaccinated.

I'm pointing out that real world data showed significant reduction in cases in 2021 from vaccinations. This was during the period of rollout.

It doesn't 'relate' directly because it was conducted on a totally different basis. What it does show is that if the authorities were looking at the trial data and looking at early real world signs, they would have seen the vaccines making a significant difference in hospitalisations, severe covid, infections and transmissions.

So there is absolutely zero evidence they pushed vaccines mandates because they felt the data was bad. All the available data showed the authorities to have a genuine belief that the vaccines would reduce cases and hospitalisations and be beneficial for people to take.

You have failed to counter this with a single shred of evidence.

And yes, what coercion?

How about answering any of the points put to you already on the thread?

Needing a vaccine to go to places that were shut during the pandemic and re-opened with vaccine passports isn't coercion.

Needing a vaccine as a condition of the employment contract you signed isn't coercion.

Vaccine mandates were not coercion. You have failed to show that they amounted to force or threats.

Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats

You havent shown a fundamental shift. The EU parliament is not an executive body and is not "the EU" and they regularly take positions at odds with other EU bodies or national governments. The average EU parliament member at the time had hardly a deeper awareness of vaccine efficacy than the average citizen.

Even if there was a shift one could just as easily argue they pushed for mandates because they had more, not less, confidence in the vaccines when they saw the real world data showing significant reductions in cases and protection v severe covid.

Its a road to nowhere when you have no actual evidence to support a particular reason.

Changing the goalposts again.

When were vaccine mandates rolled out?

It was long before December 21.