Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Instead of suggesting I should try and see beyond my own biases, perhaps you could take your own advice?

I’m well aware that people involved not just in sports, but in any domain, are highly motivated around issues such as competitive fairness and so on. It’s why I don’t imagine they all think the same, because they’re not all coming from the same background as each other.

It’s why I don’t just rely on the opinions of sports people or scientists or second-rate sociologists or the number of elite athletes who share my opinions regarding the importance of including people who are transgender in sports, who are even more highly motivated to participate in competitions, than those athletes who already see it as their entitlement to win, and to exclude other people from competing.

You're making another assumption (that I haven't looked beyond the pure sporting perspective) which is again just plain wrong.

I didn’t make that assumption at all, because I take it as a given that you’re not any different from anyone else in that I’m sure you have experience in many domains, and l’m acutely aware of the fact that you have experience and a vast wealth of knowledge in domains that I will never have and couldn’t possibly ever have. I just didn’t think I needed to state the obvious is all.

Transgender athletes are not being excluded from competing in sports. They are being excluded from competing in the female sex category. That is completely different. You can repeat your falsehoods as many times as you like. That will not make them any truer.

I’m perfectly happy to admit that’s not true either, but I’m not going to accuse you of falsehoods when it’s clear your intent was to suggest that their inclusion is far more nuanced than that.

It is crystal clear you disregard science. No surprise to hear that.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise, when it’s yourself who says it. At least I know what I said, and what I didn’t say. I don’t disregard science, I do disregard pseudoscientific nonsense masquerading as scientific evidence put forth as reasoning as to why people who are transgender should be excluded from competitions, like the claim by Niall Moyna in this interview that it would be unfair to have six foot women playing in the WNBA -

Aye, clearly Niall came up a bit short on that one -

https://sportsvirsa.com/tallest-female-basketball-players/

Well, you can say that again....

I’m familiar with the excuses, and they don’t stack up to much, all things actually considered.

FiNA's rule aims towards fairness and the overwhelming bulk of participants. There will be an open category from which nobody is banned and TBH it's the least worst option. They may have erred for some people but we are a very long way off establishing what advantages might remain for those who do transition.

12 is the approximate age of onset of puberty, some will begin earlier some later but for a sporting organisation to set a clear simple cut off point it works.

Children beginning to transition before the age of consent is a medical ethics question which sporting organisations cannot and should not be involved in and the impact of what category of sport the patient may compete in later in life should not come into it. Such a consideration would probably be unethical anyway.

That would be the exception rather than the rule though and rare.

Your link even says

Precocious puberty is when a child's body begins changing into that of an adult (puberty) too soon. When puberty begins before age 8 in girls and before age 9 in boys, it is considered precocious puberty.

Precocious puberty also affects less than 1% of the American population (that is before age 8 in girls and 9 in boys rather than age 3).

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/puberty

According to both the HSE the average age of onset of puberty in girls is 11 and 12 in boys.

Well interestingly too trans children are exceptionally rare as well. But it’s an issue for you?

Where did I say that I had an issue with transchildren.

I said participation in a category of sport shouldn't influence a decision on whether a child transitions or not. Do you believe it should be a factor.

Let me know when that ever happens.

Just in case anyone has misconstrued what I have posted I have no concerns about doctors advising anyone transition on any basis other than the patients well being.

If you look 2 posts further back ýoull see I didn't bring up children being transitioned by their parents for sport.

I said it was nothing to do with sporting bodies whether that could happen.

Interested to see how the LGFA deal with this...

It doesn't affect the GAA as they only deal with the men's teams, although I think there were moves to bring them all under the one umbrella. One to watch.