General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

y0ssar1an22 · 03-08-2022 11:51AM

Premier League players will limit taking a knee before matches, league announces ahead of new season.

Premier League captains announce they will no longer routinely take the knee ahead of games; campaign started in wake of George Floyd's killing in 2020, and has lasted more than two years; clubs will still take knee ahead of "significant" moments during season.

glad to see this is somewhat stopping, as it was an absolute token gesture that would never achieve anything.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12664693/premier-league-players-will-limit-taking-a-knee-before-matches-league-announces-ahead-of-new-season

rob316 · 03-08-2022 11:53AM

City and Liverpool top 2 again, Chelsea and Spurs fighting for 3rd/4th, Arsenal and United then outside bet for 4th.

I do the see the gap narrowing between 2nd and 3rd though not the usual 20 points.

MisterAnarchy · 03-08-2022 12:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119423374#Comment_119423374

It was a very divisive gesture that probably did more harm than good.

It should have been stopped last summer.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-08-2022 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119423349#Comment_119423349

If the greatest goalscorer to ever lace up a pair of boots is proving difficult to manage, then it probably means you're not a very good manager.

It's more a case of the latest Glazer puppet doing their bidding by trying to move on one of the club's greatest players, while the fans - who spent the last months of the previous season waving green and gold scarves and screaming Glazers out - lap it up, before they dust off the scarves months later when the same old untreated issues resurface.

Fitz* · 03-08-2022 12:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119423531#Comment_119423531

Yeah it's Ten Haag's fault that Ronaldo didn't bother showing up for pre-season training, left it to the last minute to tell the club he wanted to leave (giving the reason of not playing Champions League football when that was known in April that Man Utd wouldn't get top 4) and it was also Ten Haag's fault that Ronaldo showed disrespect to the club and teammates by fecking off before the game was over.

But of course, lap it up that the "King returns" and do your SIU chant every couple of weeks.

If Maguire or Pogba acted the way that Ronaldo did, there would be pitchforks out and more house invasions.

Agent Coulson · 03-08-2022 02:19PM

Wrong thread

DM_7 · 03-08-2022 03:01PM

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1554820322070736899?t=zEquTUQs1tkLfUzdSWNLbg&s=19

Some minor changes ahead.

The offside 'change' should help sort out some of the strange onsides.

"It's the law change that the IFAB insists isn't a law change. Remember Kylian Mbappe's controversial winning goal in the final of last year's UEFA Nations League? The France striker was in an offside position when Spain's Eric Garcia tried to intercept a pass, but he only got slight touch on the ball and Mbappe ran through to score. The goal counted because Garcia was deemed to have "deliberately played" the ball. After the game, UEFA's head of refereeing called for a reworking of the law to stop such goals from counting.

Then there's the penalty Harry Kane won and scored for England in Germany in June. He was offside when Jack Grealish attempted to thread a ball through to Raheem Sterling, but defender Lukas Klostermann deflected it through to Kane, who was brought down.

The IFAB says both should be ruled offside. So last month, the IFAB clarified the guidelines for such offside situations while also saying nothing has changed, even though the law was clearly applied in a different way across all major leagues and competitions.

The result is we should no longer see examples such as Mbappe and Kane when a defender is stretching, out of control of his actions, to make an interception. Don't expect the controversy to end entirely, however, as the new guidelines still leave plenty of room for interpretation."

DM_7 · 04-08-2022 03:27PM

Dale Johnson, ESPN take on 5 subs by looking at use in other leagues.

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1555203934205186048?t=ZuYjnYntP9z2rGvfkC_3AA&s=19

adaminho · 04-08-2022 04:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429032#Comment_119429032

I don't get the argument around 5 subs making the bigger teams stronger. You can only name 25 players for your entire squad and from this season 20 in a match day squad. If Klopp can bring on an extra 2 internationals it's cause he's 25 man panel is better than the other 25 man panel.

MisterAnarchy · 04-08-2022 04:55PM

Peter Drury has retired from Premier League Production to join NBC Sports, so he wont be on the international feeds anymore.

He will be a big loss.

Agent Coulson · 04-08-2022 05:07PM

Ah but we still have Martin Tyler so all is good on the commentary front here.

Fromvert · 04-08-2022 05:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429393#Comment_119429393

Never got the love for him. He's puke inducing with his over the top pre-prepared lines he's dying to fit into his commentary.

citytillidie · 04-08-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429393#Comment_119429393

Sure all you have to do is look for an NBC river if you want to listen to him

Scoundrel · 05-08-2022 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429032#Comment_119429032

That doesn't really take into account that the top clubs use 5 subs less because they don't have to because they are already winning most games but that the real advantage will come in the few tight games against lower teams where they will be able to bring on 2 more world class players to change the game.

yourdeadwright · 05-08-2022 09:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431883#Comment_119431883

It'll work both ways at times

Every season you have lower placed teams who sit in and work there nuts off defensively & end up tiring around the 75 -90 minutes mark & the big teams get there late goal, Now they can replace 5 tiring players & kept that hard work up .,

yourdeadwright · 05-08-2022 10:09AM

I know a lot of Liverpool fans have thought for a while Tyler didn't like the club due to how upset he sounds when they score but seems to have confirmed it today with some garbage he spoke on the radio this morning ,

"The BBC has been hit with an influx of complaints over veteran football commentator Martin Tyler's "crass" Hillsborough comments.

The Sky Sports commentator appeared on BBC Radio Four's Today programme shortly before 9am today speaking about 30 years of the Premier League. But listeners were infuriated by Mr Tyler's comments about Hillsborough after he associated the tragic events, found by an inquest jury in 2016 to have been the result of unlawful killing, with "other hooligan related issues".

Mr Tyler said the Premier League came "not too long after Hillsborough and other hooliganism related issues".

retalivity · 05-08-2022 10:27AM

Season start tonight, and I have little to no excitement in it at all. The past few years has seen my interest in the PL wane more and more, even as a Liverpool supporter for ~25 years, where they have been more and more successful and exciting to watch recently, I was really just having games on in the background for the sake of it. Didn't see any pre-season games, apart from reading a few match reports, followed transfer activity more than anything else really. Stopped doing FF for the first time last year in about 15 years as well, which probably helped me have less interest. Not sure if it is just me getting old, the eye-watering amounts of money involved, most modern footballers being spoiled brats, vulture fund and despot owners, a world cup in Qatar, Ireland being crap, VAR nonsense, week-long discussions over trivial rubbish, the sky sports banter brigade, etc. That said, I will probably still have the game on this evening out of habit, and watch a few over the weekend out of boredom, but the passion/excitement/interest i once had, even 4-5 years ago, is not there anymore. Anyone else in a similar boat?

Game's gone ted, etc....

DM_7 · 05-08-2022 10:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432053#Comment_119432053

When I read the above I immediately thought Tyler must (because how could he really have meant how it sounded) have meant the premier league came at at time shortly after Hillsborough and a time of a separate (other) issues in the game like hooliganism

Seems to have clarified it since anyway:

"Telegraph Sport has been told Tyler is mortified at having mangled his words and he subsequently issued a separate apology through Sky.

"This morning, while discussing various crises facing football 30 years ago, I referred to some examples including the Hillsborough disaster and also controversy over hooliganism at matches," he said.

"These are two separate issues. There is no connection at all between the Hillsborough disaster and hooliganism – I know that, and I was not implying that there was. I apologise sincerely and wholeheartedly for any misunderstanding."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/08/05/bbc-martin-tyler-forced-apologise-hillsborough-hooligan-comment/

yourdeadwright · 05-08-2022 11:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432136#Comment_119432136

I 'm really looking forward to it

Footballs been part of my life for nearly 40 years

I just love the passion in football no matter what team its coming from its a thing of beauty to see,

I of course have other hobbies & interests but football is my thing and always will be my thing , it brings people from all walks of life, religions, races , ages ( whatever) together for 90 plus minutes,

Obviously the Wife & kids come first but i try watch as much footy as i an without going over board ,

Its not called the beautiful game for nothing, its a great escape for people,

Just don't go overboard, remember footballs just a game & whatever happens to the team you support is no reflection on you , There is & should be a disconnect

doc_17 · 05-08-2022 11:19AM

The players are indeed harder to like, the money is criminal (literally in some cases), the owners aren’t likeable, less chance of small teams beating big teams etc.....But without it I’d probably be made love island or something. Play FF as if it makes you more interested that’s a good thing.

Now, Leicester, what’s going on there? Schmeichal gone, maybe Maddison, Fofana and Tielemens as well? No new signings either. Brendan might walk.

DM_7 · 05-08-2022 11:53AM

I didn't realise the first game was tonight.

I am looking forward to the season though.

One thing I would say is the level of coverage is so extensive that games are not must see anymore. There was a time Palace v Arsenal might be one of only a couple of live games so of more interest. Now it is one of 6 on TV this week before considering the other 4 will be available online to anyone who wants to find them.

Scoundrel · 05-08-2022 11:55AM

As a Newcastle fan I'm really looking forward to this season finally after 14 years of just making up the numbers great to have an ambitious club once again.

martyos121 · 05-08-2022 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432535#Comment_119432535

All the pieces are in place now for a successful campaign at Newcastle, now they just have to execute it.

Patsy167 · 05-08-2022 12:04PM

What are your bold predictions for the season ahead?

To get the ball rolling...

Pochettino to be managing in the league before the end of the season;

Haaland to score under 10 goals and be considered a flop;

Grealish to have a major bust up at city;

Rodgers to walk out before Christmas.

Dave0301 · 05-08-2022 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432574#Comment_119432574

Haaland will not score fewer than 10 goals. Agree with your manager predictions though.

chicorytip · 05-08-2022 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432289#Comment_119432289

They are doing their best to destroy the game as a spectacle. When I refer to "they" I mean primarily the law makers for interfering with the rules of the game and introducing daft innovations like VAR. I also mean players, particularly at elite level, who cheat by engaging in diving, timewasting and other antics with the tacit approval of their managers and coaches standing on the sideline.

Scoundrel · 05-08-2022 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432547#Comment_119432547

We're 1 attacking player short IMO.

Ottoman_1000 · 05-08-2022 12:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432360#Comment_119432360

the one thing that gets to me about it is the wall to wall coverage of noting events. Sky sports were reporting on preseason games as if they were major premier league events. It's like the season never finishes as the teams and players on constantly reported on for the most minor on-goings.

pjohnson · 05-08-2022 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432360#Comment_119432360

Some teams are in a shocking state looking through some squads, Leicester are having a fire sale. Everton, Bournemouth, Southampton and Brighton are also all weaker than last year.

greendom · 05-08-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119432791#Comment_119432791

Always think of this, he has a point though! Very funnily made one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c

General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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