FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

jmcc · 28-07-2022 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399956#Comment_119399956

While the deal stil lhas to be approved, this is a win for the Greens and a loss for FF and FG. If it had been up to FF/FG, it would have been closer to 20% or put off repeatedly.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 04:32PM

Can I ask Regular posters who for a single second thinks I was laughing at Mental Health when I posted a link to one of the most extraordinarly bewildering speeches in Dail History. ER talking about window boxes, Seeds and Salads.

If I unintentionally caused offence, I will of course apologise but not for a second had such a thought, about laughing at mental health crossed my mind.

Such a notion would be repugnant to me.

jmcc · 28-07-2022 04:42PM

Indo has some breakdowns on the percentages of the proposed deal:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-agrees-landmark-25pc-reduction-in-irelands-agriculture-emissions-by-end-of-decade-41874631.html

There may be a lot of FF/FG backbenchers who will be very upset if this deal goes through. The Greens might be somewhat happier but FF TDs may well blame Martin when they start getting pushback in rural constituencies.

Regards...jmcc

BonnieSituation · 28-07-2022 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399843#Comment_119399843

I didn't even need to click on that to know it was about him as his South facing seedlings. Absolutely insane carry-on.

brokenangel · 28-07-2022 04:50PM

Farmers will be incentivised to take up more climate-friendly farming practices such as carbon storage, energy generation from solar panels and converting farm waste into gas.

A lot of farmers are already looking at solar with the grants and the price they can sell electricity back to the grid.

Bord Gais now need to step up as they said the use of farm waste had great potential so they should be pushing this agenda

You would swear Irish farmers all have no clue about technology etc, once this makes sense farmers will move. IN previous government farmers struggled to get support to love towards organic etc when they know that is the way the market is going, they will get the support now they need

Cluedo Monopoly · 28-07-2022 04:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400003#Comment_119400003

I bet they spent the whole negotiations just fighting about a number without the details behind the number. I bet they haven't a rats arse what the real difference is between the 1% they both conceded.

The devil is in the detail and I expect the plan to go the exact same way as the retrofit plan (aspiration).

Win for the Greens and our 4th Minister for Agriculture Charlie Mc will swallow it because he does what he is told.

Glad they did a deal though. The show must go on 😊

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400011#Comment_119400011

Thank you 😏

BonnieSituation · 28-07-2022 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399909#Comment_119399909

What do you even do with such a disingenuous post? Frankly outrageous.

brokenangel · 28-07-2022 04:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400049#Comment_119400049

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400044#Comment_119400044

"Where we maintain the mental health of our people is important...."

First sentence of the video.

Cop on to yourself

BonnieSituation · 28-07-2022 04:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400028#Comment_119400028

Well BGÉ have the cash now to heavily invest in it...

jmcc · 28-07-2022 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400039#Comment_119400039

True. But the backbenchers may not be so pleased and it Ryan has a knack for irritating people. Every rural FF/FG TD is going to be dreading the fallout. The Greens will spin this as a victory and, for them, it was in that they got more than they would have got had they been in opposition. SF was quite clever in not committing to any %s even though this upset the FG/FF meatbots and shills on Social media and in the media. This is now an FF/FG problem.The spin is going to make everyone dizzy.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 05:01PM

BA please desist from quoting me in your posts , you gone to far now. False Accusations of Misogyny, Sexism, one thing , this a whole new disgusting low .

I literally have nothing to say to you, Nothing at all

brokenangel · 28-07-2022 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400070#Comment_119400070

You made a joke out of mental health and that is not on. Mental health is not a subject to made a joke out of.

Instead of standing up and admitting it you went running off trying to drag other posters into it.

The video you shared is clear, I even posted the first line which mentions mental health.

Now maybe you didn't watch the video and hear the mental health part but then why not admit that?

I have nothing else to say on it because it is taking the thread off subject.

jmcc · 28-07-2022 05:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399972#Comment_119399972

Ignore BA and move on.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 05:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400090#Comment_119400090

Will do 😏

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 05:12PM

Barely an hour after the contrived news.

Just for those very, very few interested, limited stock available, FG in funding mode , hurry whilst stocks last 😏

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 05:21PM

I'll admit my knowledge on this agricultural Emmisions thing limited but why if government putting such a positive spin on this are so many people unhappy , climate activists included, all very baffling.

jmcc · 28-07-2022 05:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400114#Comment_119400114

FG commemorating SF members? :)

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly · 28-07-2022 05:40PM

Its very difficult to see how they will achieve any of the targets but the plan is backloaded. Most of the reductions need to be done by the next government.

Explainer: The changes sought to tackle climate change (rte.ie)

Two five-year carbon budgets aim to deliver that reduction of 51%.

The first cuts emissions by 4.8% annually (2021-25); the second is more ambitious, with annual cuts of 8.3% (2026-30).

Re Agriculture - Minister for Agriculture Charlie McConalogue has insisted that herd reductions are not being considered.

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 05:44PM

In other news , not sure when we'll get to hear what's in this report or when.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40928732.html

Irelandsnumberone · 28-07-2022 05:47PM

https://twitter.com/DanielTMurray/status/1552684605949485062?t=idAO-TFNPvrNZaISL2uA8w&s=19

The last part sums up the 3 clowns in charge

jmcc · 28-07-2022 05:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400166#Comment_119400166

Many climate activists have no background in STEM. The whole "climate change" thing is simply a substitute for organised religion for them. You can also see it with the way that they have appropriated Holocaust denial and tried to link it with climate change denial. Neither the Greens or FF/FG were going to get exactly what they wanted in this proposed deal so each side is trying to spin it as a win. For the Greens, it is a win in that it is much more than they would have got had they been in opposition.

FF/FG will try to spin the point that there is no mention of the national herd (Gavan O'Reilly tweeted it) in the agreement. They will be hoping that this will work for the rural TDs. It may cause more problems for FF backbenchers in that it would be presented as another example of Martin sacrificing FF TDs and FF for a pat on the head. If they don't use this to get rid of him now, then they are not, to use another FFers's phrase, playing senior hurling.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 06:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400292#Comment_119400292

I saw that tweet from Gavan , there's quite a reaction to it on Twitter, seems to be more annoyance than anything, a lot if commentary about the contrived nature of the past few days, Examiner saying , Serious failure .

Thanks for the explanation, I was just "Bewildered ", so to speak 😁

Irelandsnumberone · 28-07-2022 06:10PM

The emissions ceilings for all sectors when totted up don't reach the 51% target.

Anyone who claimed 51% was legally binding stands sadly discredited.

Loafing Oaf · 28-07-2022 06:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400244#Comment_119400244

Next government led by SF in all probability. They'll have plenty of very big figures to work with then...

jmcc · 28-07-2022 06:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400341#Comment_119400341

The Greens were never going to get 30% and FF/FG were never going to get 20%. It is a compromise for both sides but it is more damaging to FF/FG in that the hardcore Greens (Ryan etc) will be pleased but the FF/FG rural TDs will be worried. FFG now has to try buying off the affected with subsidies and grant schemes and hope that the FF/FG TD herd won't be culled at the next GE. The media needs those ad clicks and advertising so it has been playing up this story to some extent. In real terms, FF and FG have just been outplayed by the Greens. If it had been below 25%, the Greens might have walked. It will be interesting to see if there's any comments from the real FF members about this rather than the Martin supporters.

Regards...jmcc

Brucie Bonus · 28-07-2022 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399587#Comment_119399587

Yawn...

You're obsessed with this Leo partner shite. Do you see how contradictory you are with this post alone? Pretending you having a go at others is an opinion, then going off on the Leo obsession when nobody mentioned him or his partner.

FF/FG/Green, if they bring in any meaningful climate initiative, will end up watering g it down and working out way for pals to make money.

We've high prices supposedly due to inflation and other factors, but sone organisations making nice profits. And we've the tax payer taking the lions share of the cost for the cowboy mica builds.

This government needs to apologise and stand down.

Dempo1 · 28-07-2022 06:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400419#Comment_119400419

They certainly do look they've been outplayed by ER and he deserves some credit for that 😏

dePeatrick · 28-07-2022 06:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400209#Comment_119400209

🤣🤣😃

nigeldaniel · 28-07-2022 06:47PM

Well, how about that? The government try to do something about a problem and everyone [almost everyone] complains. The government do not do something about something and the same people complain they are not doing anything about the problem... talk about a rock and a hard place.

I always commend a person for trying to fix a problem myself, whether successful or not, at least they tried.

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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