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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,735 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Wasn't there something released recently showing that Trump will endorse people for about 1m and they have to hire a specific person and pay them 10k per month?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,898 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You are spot on, I posted that a few pages back

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,452 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    There was somebody else sentenced yesterday to 3 years in prison. They were a serving soldier.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I've been wondering about this a bit - Not any secession stuff , but if Trump was the nominee for 2024 could some States refuse to have him on their ballot?

    For example , could they stipulate that any candidate wishing to run had to publicly accept that there was no fraud in 2020 or could they themselves at State level find him guilty of attempting to overturn the election and exclude him?

    It wouldn't really matter if California did it as a GOP candidate is never winning there , but what if a Pennsylvania or another swing state were to do it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,114 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Unlikely there's a way for them to prevent it. There's always fringe candidates on ballots, if the party is registered to operate in the State, they can submit a candidate. If you recall, Ralph Nader was the "Green Party" candidate, Strom Thurmond the 'segregationist party', ...



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I get that , but didn't one of the States pass legislation (or try to) that Candidates had to release their taxes before being eligible to stand?

    I'm not necessarily talking about banning Trump specifically , but introducing legislation that he would find hard or impossible to comply with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭BigRighysteria


    If any state did that it would further increase the suspicion of an unfair election.

    An abc poll from January cited just 20% of americans are very confident in the election system.

    No matter who wins in 2024 Kanye west or The Rock, both parties desperately need to make sure that the American population believe elections are fair and without any foul play.

    If a country doesn't believe in the integrity of it's elections it is no longer a democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There's been talk of how the USA is moving towards another civil war. There's been countering talk about how that is complete hyperbole. On balance, I fail to see how banning certain high profile candidates from a presidential ballot would lessen the threat. If anything, it would surely supercharge it, wouldn't it? Especially in a swing state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,234 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The US is already in a civil war. There are clearly sides and both sides see a radically different version of the US to the other side.

    The only thing missing, and I understand that this is a key component of what is understood to be a civil war, is the actual fighting. But there is non-violent action being taken every day. Action in the form of gerrymandering, alignment of courts to a particular viewpoint, voting controls etc. This was always there to some extent but has been supercharged in the last 10 years so that now the lines are clearly drawn and you are either on one side of the other. There is no middle ground, no common 'American ideal' that both sides can at least agree on.

    I cannot see any hope, at least in the short to medium term, or anything other than a continued escalation of the current situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The gop don't care if elections are fair or seen to be fair.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed , that "lack of confidence in the Elections" has been entirely driven by the GOP.

    The GOP trot out the line "We need legislation on election integrity because people no longer have faith in our system" completely ignoring the fact that the reason the people lack faith is that the GOP have spent the last 6+ years repeatedly claiming (entirely without evidence) that the elections can't be trusted..

    I get where you are coming from , but how would a State doing it be different to it being done at the Federal level should trump be convicted of a crime that impacts his eligibility??

    One way or another Trump has caused this situation - If the DOJ and others shy away from prosecuting him because of how it looks politically then Democrats & Independents faith in Democracy is badly impacted.

    If he is prosecuted then GOP voters will feel victimised and their faith in Democracy will be badly impacted.

    It is increasingly difficult to see a path back for the US here - The next 5-10 years do not look good for the US , they really don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Americans are right to have concerns about the fairness of elections. Whether its people commiting voter fraud (and there was proven voter fraud in 2020, just not necessarily the kind that Trump supporters would have you believe) or the hoops that people need to jump through just to exercise their right to vote on the day*, they are right to be concerned.

    A big problem I noticed at the last election was the lack of a standardised federal voting system. What someone has to do to cast a vote in Oklahoma is not necessarily the same as what a voter has to do in somewhere like Vermont. Postal ballots, voter ID, getting time off work, all this is decided at state level which makes it unfair. Not to mention gerrymandering/re-districting.

    How is it fair that someone in one part of the country has it tougher to vote in a national election than someone in a different part? I know state's rights seems to be a hot topic but does it not make sense that, for a national election, all American voters should have the same access? Of course, I don't see any chance of this being rectified any time soon.

    *Black-ish had an election special episode in 2020 which laid bare a lot of the messing about that goes on for people who just want to have a say in who runs their country. I'd highly recommend the show in general but that particular episode is mind-blowing (and depressing).



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I'd agreed completely about the utter shambles that is the national electoral system , but sadly I think that the argument that would be made is that people seeking Election to Federal office are not looking to be elected to the Federal Government , but they are seeking their "States nomination" to be that States representative in the House/Senate and that for POTUS elections technically you are voting for your preferred State level slate of Electors to attend the Electoral college on your behalf.

    As such each State gets to decide how those representatives get chosen - See for example the fact that the Governor chooses a replacement should someone step down/die in Office and there isn't an immediate by-election as we would have here.

    It's semantic nonsense , but that would the the "logic" provided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Apparently, claiming the 2020 US Presidential election to be fraudulent is not a crime in and of itself in the USA. Referring back to your previous post, if states were to add a stipulation forcing candidates to accept there was no malfeasance in the 2020 election, it would just be seen by the usual suspects as moving the goalposts. If that stipulation were allowed to be added, would other states be allowed to add their own stipulation forcing candidates to accept that there was fraud in the 2020 election? There's just too much scope for heightening tensions to even mess with such a possibility.

    Now, as to Trump being done at the Federal level, it probably won't happen. It would be a game of chicken between the Federal government and Trump in the sense of Trump's conviction potentially plunging the USA into large-scale civil unrest and Trump being so averse to the idea of spending even a minute in jail that he agrees to go quietly.

    There aren't really any great options that I can see. The roots of Trumpism run deep and are arguably the culmination of a 30+ year process, starting with Reagan ending the US fairness doctrine for media outlets and the gutting of America's traditional industries. It won't be solved with any one thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,452 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    "If a country doesn't believe in the integrity of it's elections it is no longer a democracy."

    Agreed.

    So why do you still support the person responsible for undermining the integrity of a legitimate election with lies and disinformation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Trump won because he had been in public eye for decades and many people in 2016 viewed the Trump brand as one of power/wealth and success and felt that would transfer to success as President.

    Trumps also charismatic which goes a long way and the media were wall to wall Trump ignoring the other candidates completely like showing Trumps empty podium instead of Hillary Clinton rally. Couple that with fact the media spent the last two weeks treating Hillary Clinton like a death row inmate over 'her emails'.

    Dé Santis possesses none of the things which helped Trump win in 16. He is a relative unknown to most voters outside Florida, not particularly charismatic or engaging talker, the media aren't going to have same level of interest in him they had Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    This is one post that no matter whether you agree/support with trump (GOP) or agree/support biden (dems) I think everyone should be agreeing on.

    However, I do not believe that America as a society can see this, as the side that is supporting putting in voting restrictions (or making it more difficult for people to vote) is directly affecting the integrity of the elections whether they like it or not. Whether is it the GOP or the DEMS doing this they are manipulating the results.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The other absolutely central element to Trumps win in 2016 was that chunk of the vote made up of that somewhat anti-establishment voters that said "He's not a politician let's give him a shot , what have we got to lose?"

    De Santis absolutely does not have that going for him - Everyone knows exactly what they would get with him and the GOP and will vote accordingly , just as they did in 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,735 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Basically he wants to "debate" him somewhere were the audience can hoot n' holler, so he can just shout buzzwords to make his "fans" cheer rather than being questioned and have to actually speak on anything of any substance.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He wants to "make it for the fans , not about a political party" ????

    He does realise he's running for political office and not being asked to host a pre-game kegger right??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    @Penn nailed it I think. They don't want educated voters or a legislative mandate, they want sports fans who will give them free reign to do whatever they want so long as it 'owns the libs' - if it's corruption for our side, even better.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I thought we were told he'd get gazillions from this???

    Wonder who pays all his legal costs now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He has a bit of scratch from his CNN settlement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,868 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its just Antifa making Orban say those things right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,452 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    The Ron fans will be outside with their flags again. He's their type of guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is facing backlash after a speech arguing that Europeans should not “become peoples of mixed race,” although the far-right leader is still slated to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Dallas next week.


    In the same speech, Orban also appeared to joke about Nazi gas chambers, saying in the context of a European Union proposal to ration natural gas: “the past shows us German know-how on that.”


    CPAC and friends seemingly happy to associate with this. They'll all have a nice workshop on how to rebrand the dog whistles next - 'alt-right' got played out.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In fairness, Trump tended to fanboy Putin, Duterte, Orban and Bolsonaro.... They definitely don't all have fascist leanings.. oh wait...



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  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arseholes attract like minded arseholes nothing new



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