FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Cluedo Monopoly · 12-07-2022 10:55PM

Very little reference to the climate crisis or the BS climate plan today from anyone except Ryan. It shows you how seriously FFG view the problem.

markodaly · 12-07-2022 10:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329352#Comment_119329352

Again facts are: TD said he would not vote for government unless a commitment was made - commitment made - TD votes for government

That is not a fact actually, as Cathal Berry didn't state it like that at all. Did he not support the government in the previous failed MoNC votes by SF?

Did you get a memo to spout this nonsense Francie? ;)

hunter2000 · 12-07-2022 11:03PM

Night 😉sleep well now ⛺️ Talk in morning 😏

brokenangel · 12-07-2022 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329372#Comment_119329372

All sorts of BS coming out now to try cover up for the total embarrassment of the opposition today.

Even the hard core supporters have to be asking "what the f**k" is going on....well some of them anyway

Im sure all the TD's of the government having a nice cool beer tonight

Beasty · 12-07-2022 11:17PM

If you do not wish to discuss the topic, and wish to discuss other posters, please do not post at all, as you will have your posting privileges removed

FrancieBrady · 12-07-2022 11:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329372#Comment_119329372

Sorry mark, you have been caught out again, rather badly, and a not too subtle attempt to divert at the end of your post.

Independent TD Cathal Berry said his vote in support of the Government will be dependent on “the quality of the proposal” of a pay increase ...

markodaly · 12-07-2022 11:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329525#Comment_119329525

He didn't say he wouldn't vote for the Government now did he?

Brucie Bonus · 12-07-2022 11:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329529#Comment_119329529

...he didn't say he would. It was dependent on the call as per Francie's post.

FrancieBrady · 12-07-2022 11:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329529#Comment_119329529

😁😁😁😁

Who exactly do you think you fool with this stuff?

We will hopefully find out what other side deals were done in order for them to hold on over and above the two we know about.

road_high · 12-07-2022 11:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329354#Comment_119329354

Well if only they’d do that then because there’s sweet fanny all Ireland can do to alter the climate in any way shape or form. It’s a tax generating exercise and tool of expanding government control

Floppybits · 12-07-2022 11:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328910#Comment_119328910

Here's a bot, there's a bot, everywhere there's bot bots. That is all we get out of you when people don't agree with you. You are like a broken record on here with bots here there and everywhere. You have failed everytime to derail this thread. Give it up and debate for once with your usual name calling and other shenanigans.

skimpydoo · 13-07-2022 12:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329063#Comment_119329063

It is going to plan. I wanted an open debate and to see where the lay of the land is.

As for an election in 2025, it will happen before then especially if there is a heave against MM.

13-07-2022 12:08AM

"Among the raft of amendments is one that allows a planning authority or An Bord Pleanála to adjust its ruling if an error in law or fact is found in the course of a legal challenge, and “the amended decision shall be taken to be the decision of the planning authority, local authority or board, as the case may be”.

Planning law solicitor Fred Logue said the proposal was effectively moving the goalposts for anybody who legally challenges a planning decision.

“Under European law, the system has to be fair, equitable, and not prohibitively expensive,” Mr Logue said. “It’s basically unfair if you spend money on a judicial review and then the goalposts are moved and you’re left challenging a fundamentally different decision.

"And there is no procedure in how this is done.”"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40915802.html

Suckit · 13-07-2022 12:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328910#Comment_119328910

I'm not confused. Just asking a question. Hopefully you are able to answer it this time, as you are the one that used it.

What's a bot?

Dempo1 · 13-07-2022 12:34AM

Exhausting day but Good Day all round, not the waste of time as was predicted, another small step and whilst no one expected the MONC to succeed, it served its purpose and shun a light on this governments ineptitude

Some Hillarious reactions to Darragh O Briens speech elsewhere, Heather Humphries too. MM performance tonight on Printime wasn't at all inspiring.

A few home truths were undoubtedly difficult to listen to for FFFG today But needed to be said and heard , will they listen, Doubtful.

I'll leave the last word to Eamonn Ryan, not quite him wiping the floor on VM as was claimed earlier 😏

Night all .

https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1546974637858476032

xxxxxxl · 13-07-2022 12:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329683#Comment_119329683

Being FFFG are not to tech savvy for them it means someone who does not agree. The actual definition will be lost on them.

xxxxxxl · 13-07-2022 12:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329718#Comment_119329718

Lol, After no flight here he's asleep most of the time. Then goes on about the airline. So what they put the price up out of reach of us plebs but he can still fly on our dime. Craven.

skimpydoo · 13-07-2022 01:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329718#Comment_119329718

Indeed it was not a waste. It showed who not to vote for in the next election and it caught out the government blatantly lying when they claimed they did no side deals.

blanch152 · 13-07-2022 01:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327677#Comment_119327677

Simply because SF are opposed to climate change measures. How can they criticise the government for failing to act on climate change when they want less and oppose carbon taxes.

Brucie Bonus · 13-07-2022 01:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329784#Comment_119329784

How can they criticise the government for failing to act on climate change

Because they are failing. They're in government (and this is a government thread by the way) and its the job of anyone not in government to call them out. Pretty straightforward.

13-07-2022 01:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329795#Comment_119329795

Your saying SF are criticising the government for failing to do what SF don't want done anyway.

I'm left scratching my head at the logic of that one.

Brucie Bonus · 13-07-2022 03:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329811#Comment_119329811

Its very clear. He wanted to know how they could criticise the government. I explained how. You could pick anything to be fair. His something something SF wasn't of interest. You should read my comment again maybe.

Irelandsnumberone · 13-07-2022 08:01AM

https://twitter.com/FT/status/1546915275592933379?t=nAjpbbswyNmN4VCZ-ieY-A&s=19

About time we do the same ASAP

is_that_so · 13-07-2022 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329992#Comment_119329992

Here's Varadkar back in May on energy companies. Bank levies already exist for the pillar banks, the leftovers of the NAMA days, and taxing them is taxing our ownership to an extent.

We are not ruling out a windfall tax on energy companies.

I know other countries are doing it.

The difficulty we have in Ireland is that the vast majority of energy companies are not Irish.

Petrol, diesel, gas and all those products are imported.

This is not something we are ruling out as a potential means of raising revenue, which we could then use to help people with the cost of living.

Peter Flynt · 13-07-2022 08:23AM

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2022-07-12/4/

Reading from the link above and, it seems to me, that Micheal Martin's and FG's response to the housing crisis is to force people who are naturally not going to vote for them into emigration. The usual response to FF/FG on any social issue that they have no interest in solving.

For all their talk FF/FG will today oppose a PBP bill to reduce rents on the basis, to quote Martin, that it is an "anti-enterprise agenda" before stating that there "would not be a landlord left under the Deputy's proposals"

FF/FG talk supply of house building to reduce rents yet they piss away €13,000 million of our money (since 2001) to artificially keep rents high using social welfare HAP payments - money going into the pockets of landlords, vulture funds, FF/FG TDs and others which is money that could be spent on schools and hospitals.

It seems to me they are free marketeers when it suits them (no we cannot have rent control bills) and when it doesn't suit them (by using HAP payments to keep rents high).

"We cannot eliminate HAP right now because there would be thousands and thousands of people without homes if there was no HAP" - Martin. What Martin really means is that there would be thousands of landlords with reduced payments. FF/FG believe in fixing rents to keep them artificially high using HAP payments.

brokenangel · 13-07-2022 08:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329637#Comment_119329637

This thread is supposed to be an open debate on the government. But anyway …..

You created a thread and got the answer people don’t want an election.

Not sure what the point of the thread was if you are just going to ignore the result when it didn’t go as you plan?

brokenangel · 13-07-2022 08:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329766#Comment_119329766

Good spin but honestly this is rubbish.

It was a total failure and the only people taking interest in the vote was people who vote SF and always would vote SF.

I’m sure a lot of time was spent trying to come up with spin to try make this look good for SF but nothing well. Total failure as usual

shirrup · 13-07-2022 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330073#Comment_119330073

It was a total failure and the only people taking interest in the vote was people who vote SF and always would vote SF.

So a sizeable amount of the electorate, that has been growing in numbers substantially year on year since 2011.

Polls suggest, it's now at a level which matches that of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael combined. Dismiss them at your peril.

As you were.

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2022 10:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330073#Comment_119330073

Any data on this or is just a feeling in your waters?

If the only people interested were as you say Michael put on some show for them scurrying around buying votes and whipping people into line.

The tactical effects of this vote and the shennanigans will play out for a while yet.

jmcc · 13-07-2022 11:19AM

An interesting, if unexpected, side-effect of this MNOC is that it has solidified the idea of FF and FG being a single party. Bacik/Labour was being quoted in the usual outlets as saying that there was a need for a government of the Left. The funny thing is how some its supporters in the media still consider it a mainstream party rather than a fringe party with only seven seats. The interesting thing was how the Indo had some rather anti-Green stories (it is an extremely pro-FG publication) and how FF/FG forced a climbdown on the turf issue and some the other Green agenda. The Greens are between a rock and a hard place in terms of withdrawing from government. If they did, it might force an election in which they would lose most of their seats. FF/FG's fear of a GE is quite obvious in the way that the FFG propaganda line about "nobody wants a GE" is being spun. Nobody believes it.

SF consolidated its position as the main opposition party to such an extent that the Big Three dynamic of Irish politics is forming into an FF/FG versus SF one. Despite some Independents voting for the government, there are signs of discontent within FF and the Greens seem to be having problems keeping track of their TDs voting. The next step for SF and the rest of the opposition will probably be the targeting of various ministers for MNOCs.

Regards...jmcc

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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