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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Very quiet on that front since Leo told Pearse the courts will decide if he is guilty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,144 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So what happens with the summer recess of the courts then the dail. Mr Varadkar will be in charge again. But If he has to go to court will he step down ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,144 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Courts , I believe will be back in late August, early September , but if Leo's slip of the tongue is infsct true, its unlikely the case would be heard until 2023 at the earliest, obviously if DPP drops the matter (more likely , I suspect) a decision would I presume be made during recess or shortly after . I'd wager during recess so it won't get much to much attention (IMO) 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    "Do you speak for everyone? No, no you don't. Some people find it useful, in fact many people find it useful."

    It's not an opinion. Without other data to accompany it or some relevant information, that chart in particular is pretty much useless.

    The people that find it useful would have some other information with them or in mind to use it alongside or to analyse etc.

    "You just hate people giving context to Ireland, don't you. You want Ireland to exist in a vacuum so you can soapbox about every little thing that is wrong with the place."

    I have no issues with people giving context to Ireland, but that isn't what you have been doing if that is what you're trying to imply. I love Ireland, I don't complain about anything in it except the sh*t government and the terrible job that they are doing to help ruin the country. In particular, I don't believe Leo gives two sh*ts about Ireland, he can't wait to jump ship to the EU, determined to fasttrack his career he wants out so quickly. The people that helped him become leader are just as useless, as they had a better insight than the rest of us, and it was damn apparent to us how bad he is when we saw him in action, so it would have been to them for longer, although many of those are now regretting the day. Good riddance to the lot of them. Between the two parties in the powerswap they have just been milking the country for their extreme benefit, and it would seem that more and more people have had enough of the sight of them.

    Everything else about this country, pretty much is great, especially the people that have decided it is time to move forward and get rid of the old powerswap. Similar to what the 'new' FG seemed to think they were doing when they got rid of the older lot. But they turned out the be the same crap that they themselves didn't like. How could they expect us to?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    FG support dropping like a lead balloon. Hilarious to watch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    She’s a pain in the rear end, loves the sound of her voice. Offers nothing new or fresh. Another Uber privileged disconnected FG self serving ego maniac. Two a penny or rather they used to be ;)

    One of the few decisions leo made that I agree with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Do they alter reality? No, they don't.

    I don't really care if 'its worse elsewhere'. I feel sorry for the people mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I love the attitude of it's worse elsewhere. What they really mean is you should be happy with what you are Given. No sense of improving things just the status quo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Going after the person to dismiss the comments. Nice.

    This is you right?

    Again, it has nothing to do with the Government, but yet again we are making it Personal with digs at the people themselves, not policy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,144 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Personally I wouldn't be keen on Kate O Connell but she has an insight into the workings of FG and particularly Leo , she's always careful, Subtle but intriguing to disect her comments , certainly no love lost for Leo 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    And?

    She does spend a lot of time in the RTE studios to be fair. Always worth a few clicks to the RTE execs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It's not an opinion. Without other data to accompany it or some relevant information, that chart, in particular, is pretty much useless.

    All charts are useless, all indexes are useless, all benchmarks are useless, and all reports are useless.

    We get it. You don't like facts and prefer gut feeling, fanatical beliefs and the old 'stick the finger in the air' method in how to do policy and improve people's lives. You Sir, should be in politics!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Independent reports, indexes, and charts that report on reality don't convey reality?

    THAT is the whole point of said research, to see the lay of the land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    No worries, just commenting on the hypocrisy.

    So have you a link to one of these showing we aren't in a housing and health and homeless crisis? And I don't mean one showing we fare better than Gambia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Have the Greens objected to the 16 year one off homes yet ? I think I know the answer why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,144 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    As sure it will be grand, Darragh's plan will insure folks who wouldn't normally qualify under current central bank rules, will (with a cap on valuation) get assistance by way of Government putting up 30% of value of property, interest free for 5 years and then start paying that off along with a mortgage that technically is unsustainable and folks can look forward to have two mortgage providers, Two entirely seperate mortgages for roughly 25 years. What could possibly go wrong 🤔

    Gobbledygook, so to speak 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    "Asking price"

    2 things off the top of my head.

    1 No guarantee whatsoever that's what they'll end up selling for.

    2 until you're in those houses in person, you've not one single idea how much restoration money will needed to be spent on them to make them habitable.

    "Buy as seen" springs to mind

    Not exactly a fool proof argument to be honest, then to top it off that newspaper article this morning comes along and completely lances the boil.

    Darragh won't take any responsibility for the bad stuff, so surely he'll not be expecting any praise for plans that might actually improve things?

    I mean if he's no responsibility for the rough, he can't expect praise for the smooth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Just move to Tralee or Longford. Be grand. Imagine the cheek of wanting to live where you're from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,144 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Couldn't agree more, meanwhile our national Broadcaster canvassing for Kind hearted builders to assist in their Virtue signalling campaign. They called a perfectly reasonable builder (I'd like to shake his hand) for their Big Build SOS program. Quite an embarrassing end to the call, actually the entire call was embarrassing .

    I won't link the exchange (slightly off Topic) , its over on the live line Thread and elsewhere and it's extraordinary.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Kate O'Connell represents a threat to Varadkar and his clique. It is no surprise to see here being attacked over media appearances. She referred to Varadkar's clique as "the choirboys" years ago on the Tonight Show. The only thing that FGers hate more than SF are other FGers.

    Some of Varakdar's allies, such as Hayes and Murphy, are no longer in politics and FG many be getting increasingly worried about its own performance in the opinion polls and the loss of their seats. O'Connell also voted for Coveney in the FG leadership elections.

    Varadkar and his clique have been an electoral disaster for FG and it would not be surprising to see a leadership challenge soon. A DPP decision to prosecute would accelerate it. Had O'Connell been the FG candidate in the Dublin Bay South bye-election, FG might have held that seat. When Varadkar is no longer leader, it would not be surprising to see her back in politics. Varadkar's appeasement of the morons in the Dublin media lost Verona Murphy as an FG candidate and she took a seat in Wexford. FG, without Varadkar, and with candidates like O'Connell and Murphy, would be in a better position to hold or even gain seats. Perhaps some FGers are slowly coming to that realisation. The next few opinion polls should be interesting.The lack of a DPP decision may be the only thing delaying a leadership challenge.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Biggest issue is most of the potential challengers are also idiots and will be horrible leaders (Harris, McEntee etc). They're all pretty much off the same leaf in being more interested in Twitter than actually competent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,061 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    IMO the looming prosecution is an issue all by itself; if it happened I think Varadkar would have to resign, or at least step aside for the duration of the case, irrespective of how FG were doing in the polls.

    So if we assume that doesn't materialise what is a reasonable benchmark of performance for FG at this stage? I think everyone accepts SF are away and clear as the largest party for the next election and FF and FG are battling for second spot. IMO if FG keep ahead of FF - and they were 19-14 in the latest RedC poll - most FG members will be satisfied enough with that to render a leadership challenge unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    So you don't like Kate O'Connell then? Wow, that's pretty misogynistic dude.



    Am I doing this right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The only thing that FGers hate more than SF are other FGers.

    A sentiment that applies equally to all parties, Some party members would eat their young to be selected!

    She's really not a team player, inclined to be very petty and quite paranoid. An ex-party one term rep is a great filler for media panels but they are largely ignored, especially when they are the weak link on a party ticket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    You'd need a few choice misogynistic words first. Suggesting someone spends more time in the media than at work highlights possible questions over priorities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A continued decline in the RedC polls might change opinions in FG. Bear in mind that Varadkar has lost seats in ever election that FG contested since he was installed as leader. Far from being some great new hope for FG, he's been a disaster. He would have been gone after the 2020 GE only for the Covid pandemic making a mess of politics. The report by Michael Ring into FG's performance in the GE that mentioned that 4 out of every 5 FG seats were in danger may have helped some FGers realise that the party is in trouble both in the polls and potentially at any future election with Varadkar as leader. RedC uses a 40K panel rather than a random sample of the electorate so FG would be foolish to place their hopes on just RedC. The B&A polls tend to favour FF and FF's support is likely to be between the RedC % and that in B&A's. If FF starts to consistently outpoll FG in B&A and rise in the others (RedC and Ireland Thinks) then FG members may be a bit more worried.

    Regards...jmcc



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