Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Yep, looks like it alright. There does appear to be a sports exemption. That blows my argument out of the water.

I wonder will it be tested in the courts in the years to come?

You couldn't be further wrong.

Yes, I do think transgender athletes shouldn't compete against biological females but I'm far from the type to get outraged.

Swim Ireland is the NGB for swimming and they are governed by Fina. Whether than pass these rules down to grassroots level remains to be seen I suppose.

Why do female divisions exist in sport? It has nothing to do with XX on a genetic level.

In order for "by definition" to apply, there has to be some sort of definition involved. There is no rule that says female divisions are only for biological females, that's just something you've made up. Obviously you want that to be the rule.

Why is it unacceptable? What is unfair about one athlete training harder than another and reaching a higher standard?

You still haven't explained what you mean by "taking a place".

One would expect more bodies to move on this now, whether the question is asked or not.

That's not what the FINA rule says, in fact its the complete opposite. Which is precisely my point.

Yes, they do not state that, nor is that remotely their intention with this rule update. They are specifically excluding transwomen who have undergone male puberty. For obvious reasons.

Therefore what you claimed was completely untrue. The fact you want that to be the rule is irrelevant. You also keep dodging the question on "taking a place". Just as well as it doesn't hold up well either.

A transwomen who has gone through puberty is banned, one who has not is not banned, both are "biological males" as eskimohunt put it. Therefore that proves that being a biological males are not actually banned. TBH, that is really simple and it's a big odd that I had to explain it.

Where are you pulling this "based on biology" strawman from? The ban on steroids and PEDs is also based on biology. but not relevant to the above either.

But that's not how races are structured afaik. Fina set grade times and people who make the grade qualify. If an extra person qualifies, they have a race of 11. Exception is say, the olympics that is based on quotas, but even then the fastest people don't always qualify either.

I haven't implied anywhere that more needs to be done. I think basing it on fairness, and performance enhancing hormones removes all the bias, politics and opinion from it. I think people who want transwomen, even with no advantages, excluded are simply being discriminatory based on their own bias. I also think that people in favour on letting trans athletes compete to be inclusive are being unfair and excluding others. I think the Fina rule is the fair middle ground based on what we current understand of sports performance - which may change.

Female only sports exists precisely because everyone knows, bar of course modern fact denying loons and fruitloops, that it is patently unfair for a females to compete against males where physiology comes into play.

And that is ultimately based on XX chromosomes versus XY chromosomes.

And yes there have been the very odd exception where intersex people have competed, but it holds for 99.9999% over time.

In certain sports males and females can compete together because it usually involves the use of an animal or vehicle which levels the playing field.

And training has fook all to do with it and only an eejit would claim otherwise.

No matter how fooking hard Leona McGuire trains she will not be able to hit the ball as far as most decent male golfers.

No matter how fooking hard Katie Taylor trains she won't be able to hit as hard as a decent male boxer.

By the looks of it you know fook all about sport, male or female.

Thing is it may look small number and inconsequential, but there are already effects being felt.

You have young transwomen competing in highschool female sports and if they get the scholarships to colleges then females lose out.

Then this becomes an invitation to more unsucussful males to self identify as female in order to get scholarships.

As it is some countries do anything to win Olympic glory, if they see that trans women (just using self identify as a means) comepting in major sports they will fill their Olympic team full of trans women to compete in female events and go for guaranteed wins.

Sports Scholarships are not exclusively based on one's final position in a sport it does account for numerous other factors, it does not automatically get given to the person who came first in a race, it helps that one came first but it's not the actual prize of the race and sole factor so someone being a trans athlete and their ability to compete at a college level would be something that is factored in and arguably before that is even considered there are numerous LGBT+ scholarships, again from my understanding of scholarships (which is indeed limited) if a university could get a sports athlete in on an LGBT+ scholarship and still have the actual sport scholarship for another sport athlete no one loses out.

As for the unsuccessful males to self identify as female for sport scholarships. I dont know, firstly it's the whole 'self identify' issue which is always this very weird myth that a man just has to say they identify as female and automatically get a pass which is very much not the case, more so in the circumstances of a scholarship where again it's not just who came first, their whole school career and other aspects are considered. It'll take a lot more then just saying one identifies as female to score a scholarship.

And if they decide to transition 'just' to compete. There are easier routes for a sports scholarship. Looking at the % chances on the NCAA website % chance for most female sports scholarships is as low as their male equivalent in all sports except Ice Hockey. It'll be easier for someone who was trying for a football or basketball scholarship (less then 4%) to change to a lacrosse scholarship (more then 12%) then to put themselves through transition (going from men's basketball to women's basketball the difference is 0.6%) I think if you put it to most male athletes to choose between focusing on a different sport with an 8% increase in odds or putting themselves through fake transition for a 0.6% increase in odds. I think most will be out on the field learning lacrosse.

As for the countries doing it for the Olympic again. Russia shows it's just easier to pump drugs into your athletes then to try for some rouse that will require the sport's international body like Fina to be on board with it. You are talking Fifa level corruption in something like Women's olympic boxing. The money is just not there.

And again there are not that many trans athletes to begin with so I dont know any country that's going to single handedly be able to field entire olympic teams with them.

Oh That's the former community rep for TENI, the overbearing govt funded (until they redflagged themselves by not filing accounts for 3 years or so) transgender org that dictates everything the LGB orgs say and do and has huge outsized influence with our govt & political parties for some lunatic reason. The one that tweets incessantly about 'smashing' women who dare question anything.

That person is simply parrotting the latest dictat from trans central in the US that has let the stupid minions know that the sports thing will never ride with the public so the new tack is to equate anything to do with racism with their political endgame. Note also, the still active conflation of people with DSD's (formerly intersex) with that endgame. That's the co-opted 'I' in the alphabet quagmire.

That's what you're seeing right there.

Good half decision by FINA and some headway with UCI recently, beckons a return to what the public overwhelmingly want, at least in sport.

“I’ve always made it clear: if we ever get pushed ... to that point where we’re making a judgment about fairness or inclusion, I will always fall down on the side of fairness.” - @sebcoe 

Rugby league have now moved to ban transgender players until it gets its inclusion policy worked out and Coe looking like moving athletics to the same place as FINA.

An opinion piece on the question for sports.