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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    There's irony in all this somewhere

    The switch to EVs will probably hit some roadblocks too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    2.08 in two garages around here


    ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Flyer1


    Live in the country, there is zero public transport available to me, commute 1hr 30mins each way for work every day. This is where I live, it's not feasible in the current rental/housing market to uproot and move to a strange city just because fuel is gone expensive. I've explored options of renting a room etc but again not feasible for family life.

    Running an old dirty diesel that does 55+ mpg and will continue to do so as I can't justify spending 60k on an EV that can't do what my current recession busting €1250 machine does.

    Not working in an industry where I can " just get a job closer to home " either. The alternatives are take up a job thats a 2hrs 30mins commute or just suck it and see.

    I hate this term "non-essential journeys". We all spent long enough locked up, a journey to the beach or a spin to town for shopping is fairly essential for the mind. M



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The economy is more dependent on the car than people realise. Without the car the tourism industry is finished. Most businesses are dependent on the car to transport their workers. It’s not possible for public transport to replace a large proportion of this. Most weekend activities and non essential shopping will be finished without the car meaning the collapse of more industries. Without the car Ireland will become an economic wasteland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Ya but were not at that point of an economic wasteland yet

    Many can afford the increase and others will change habits



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    For diesel or petrol?

    I drove past an Emo pumps in Straffan this morning where the price of petrol was €2.289/litre. I think diesel was €2.159/Ltre.

    Post edited by WishUWereHere on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭testtech05


    I'm in a rural part of mayo with only 1 garage in the nearest village and has been 222.9 for petrol and 205.9 for diesel since mid-late last week.


    Nearest bigger town is still approx 10c per litre less for both so it's definitely still worth keeping an eye out in different places.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Why is it nonsense? I've lived in rural Ireland and I've also worked on high level public transport so I'd say that I know more than you think!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭ericfartman


    Wow high level. I'm impressed, did you have a mega pint with that?

    I'm getting the tone from your posts that you insist everyone should either cycle or move if no public transport, is that correct?

    You sound exactly like Eamonn Ryan, absolutely clueless of what actually goes on in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Is high level public transport a double decker bus?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Thankfully the refining price has started to drop back a little, but its only a couple of days, so no trend yet. This decrease though is being eaten up by a jump in oil prices

    https://www.neste.com/investors/market-data/oil-product-margins#ca9fd67b

    Crazy to think that this time last year refining cost was $9 for petrol and $7 for diesel, oil price was $72 and dollar was $1.21

    So in euro terms a litre of fuel from refinery has gone from 41c to 1.03



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Effectively you live in the arsehole of nowhere. You don't count when it comes to transport policy because you are such an outlier.

    Public transport policy is based on the masses and not someone living miles from nowhere. That is what I'm referring and I presume you already know that! As I mentioned earlier, you have options. If these don't suit you (or you have decided against them) then that is for you to face.

    As for the term non-essential journeys, walk around any urban area and you'll know what I'm referring to and it has nothing to do with covid restrictikns (not sure why that is even brought into the discussion). It is reckoned that 25% of traffic congestion is caused by people bringing kids to school for example. It is these journeys that need to be curtailed. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I seen a thing last night where you can buy a litre in Libya for 3 cents.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Personally I couldn't give a toss how you can get from A to B. However, if I'm so wrong then please tell me what other options you have to reduce the impact of higher fuel prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Then I’d think You’re getting away lightly

    Agree though it’s still bloody expensive whichever figure You look at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭ericfartman



    I dunno, maybe something like cutting the excise on fuel?

    That would be much simpler than having to sell my house and get a new job within cycling distance and pay extortionate prices due to our inept government? With regards kids maybe I could stick them in a bag on my back or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Where did I ever mention removing all taxes? Why are you misrepresenting my posts?

    I just took issue with your comment that people who live outside large urban areas do so by choice.

    To upend your whole family, move house to a city (not possible for many due to the price difference) just because of the price of fuel is not a realistic choice for many. If everyone started doing that their would be nowhere to house them in the cities.

    Anyway this is probably dragging the thread off topic so lets just agree to disagree on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭HBC08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,746 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Ireland has for many generations had people living on the land. Mainly due to a culture and history of subsistence land subdivision over primogeniture seen in other countries. It is who we are and to rail against it would be to deny a large part of who we are. Urban dwellers are wont to complain about bungalow blight when on one of their weekends around the hinterland. But the proliferation of isolated houses that is their bane, is reassurance to those who live there; having a real neighbour nearby who looks out for you, instead of someone who lives 4 doors 20m away from you who you've never said more than hello to. People born in the countryside do not see it as their 'choice' to live in the country side. It's natural to want to continue living close to family and friends and for many it is economically unfeasible to relocate. A lot of people have in recent years relocated from Dublin to satellite towns dues to the housing crisis in Dublin. This has been supported by the government with legislative support for remote working and increased spending on public transport among other measures.

    We now have an impending transport crisis and those who will be hardest hit will be the rural population, many of whom have jobs tied to a specific location. This can be hard to understand for those in the major urban centres, more of whom have desk-based jobs and are less affected. It would be disappointing if other Irish, less affected by the fuel crisis adopted an "I'm alright jack" attitude to those who now find themselves in an unprecedented situation, not of their making. We should not turn our backs on our own.



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm sorry, what? A 90 min journey each way. You are commuting for 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, 15 hours a week driving to and from work.

    Honestly, you have bigger issues than the price of diesel. I'd be moving house or job with that kind of a commute, thats a soul destroying amount of commuting. Obviously don't know your specific circumstances but jesus I feel sorry for you with that commute!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭ericfartman


    That could be commuting from the likes of Carlow/Waterford/Kilkenny/Tipperary into Dublin which plenty of people do. Unfortunately its not as easy just as moving house or moving job and you have no choice but to do the commute to support your family. I wouldn't be able to afford the housing in Dublin. Office jobs are scarce outside Dublin, people who get them tend to never leave.

    I did a 90 min commute for eight years until something came up more local. It was either drive to Dublin or go on the Dole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    It kinda hard for people outside the capital not to feel short changed when they are talking about 10billion for Dublin metro extensions and 250million already spent just thinking about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    That is pretty much my point - its no more expensive now than it was 25 years ago.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's typically only an outcry about costs when it's anything but roads.

    The metro being a good example or the luas. Both of which do (and will) carry millions yearly.

    Conversely, few seem to have an issue with the cost for less than 20km of road being around 1 billion to address the needs of 3% of Galway City traffic and which will do nothing to fix the city centre congestion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    “Talking about” - you’ve just summed it up right there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The whole energy situation looks pretty fukked up

    Probably time for thinking outside the box



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    €2.24/l for diesel and €2.30/l for petrol in a garage i passed today (garristown, north county dublin). that said, i passed other garages where petrol was €2.08.

    shows you how volatile the market is when it's not hard to find price differences greater than 10% in petrol prices.



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