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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You do realise that there's a difference between wanting to stay in the EU and wanting to respect the result of the referendum. In other words, you can be in favour of remaining in the EU whilst accepting the referendum was lost and advocating we should leave on the basis that this was the result of the 2016 referendum.

    And to back that up with evidence, see:

    A majority of people want the UK to respect the Brexit referendum result, according to a new poll.


    The Comres survey revealed today that 54 per cent of people wanted to respect the Brexit referendum result and leave the European Union, with 32 per cent preferring to remain.

    And no, you're wrong. The UK left the European Union on 31 January 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    To be fair, in years to come, I am not sure that being lauded as the politician that "got Brexit done" will be seen as a positive thing.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Many people will say it including historians!

    Unless you would care to tell us all how the UK has improved since they left and I'm sure there will be ample evidence to back up your claims



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not really about benefits. It's about racism and anger. Nothing more.

    If it were about sovereignty, the government would have been reformed. If it were about trade, close alignment with Brussels would have been sought and a hard border averted.

    Instead, all that's been done is deporting foreign brown people to Rwanda to appease bigots and business as usual for the 1%. They didn't even change their behaviour during a pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands of British people. They just got wasted and abused their service staff.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whenever racism is brought into it, you know you've lost the argument. An empty smear.

    And the anger is not coming from our side of the debate, it's very much a perspicuous feature of the hard-left.

    Angriest people ever. Or as I like to say, they want to dislike as many people as possible for the fewest number of justifiable reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What is this hard left you are talking about?

    The Labour Party, protestors, the media?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Says the man with that bullshit stuck under your posts, even though you know the whole thing was a hoax.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A cacophony of noise generated by an amalgam of the following:

    • large swathes of the Middle Class
    • entitled students, incapable of thinking for themselves (sons / daughters of the above, usually)
    • significant elements of the media, political, and academic elite (links directly to the two above, usually)

    The hard-left has no association whatsoever with any of the following:

    • working class people (coupled with an undying hatred of their views, including social and cultural matters)
    • normal people
    • logic

    That just about covers most of the definition.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If that were the nature of the thread, I'd post evidence till kingdom come (or, I could save the time and refer you back to your own catalogue of posts on this forum). Either would have offered plentiful supply of same.

    But the focus here is Boris Johnson who, you may have forgotten, was given his overwhelming majority in large part because the Labour heartlands decided to lend him their vote as they knew the Labour Party - that bastion of the working class - were not listening to their concerns.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A former Director of Public Prosecutions and now leader of the Labour Party is terrified to express his opinion on the definition of a woman. This, at the same time the party is tearing itself asunder over the question, with largely well-off MPs at each other's necks as if it were key to the national security of the United Kingdom.

    It's an embarrassment and a joke. And the party looks a laughing stock because of it.

    And yes, it's symptomatic of what I've been saying, and how far away the LP have moved from working class people and working class concerns.

    This is what the Labour Party is about. And yes, that very much approximates with my definition above.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman



    I personally think Boris is a complete and utter chancer and not suitable for even a junior ministry.

    However as far as I can see there is no clear alternative to him so he is probably safe from his own party

    Meanwhile It's worth noting that the labour party voted for the hard brexit deal that is doing so much damage to the Uk economy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Lol. Whenever somebody starts ranting about "entitled students" or something of that ill, it just reveals their age and complete disassociation from relevance; just calls to mind some Alf Garnett type figure. old man yells at cloud. It'll be fuming about blue hair and smashed avocado next for all the sense it makes.

    Anyone under 35 has lived through 2 global recessions, a pandemic, and the shrinking of the property and labour market. Am I forgetting anything else? Oh but they're the entitled ones for getting annoyed the UK has decoupled itself from horizons for the young.

    At this rate my two kids will probably spend their "career" píssing into bottles in an Amazon fulfillment centre while idiots like me or others here, comfy on their pensions and divorced from reality, talk down to the younger class. Talk about pulling the ladder up.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So you object to the thread being derailed when I ask for evidence of your shrill drivel and now you're back with your fanatical hatred of trans people.

    At least you're consistent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Belated congratulations. As I recall, you had only the one.

    It's gas. They're angry that the people they've screwed want to change the system. The tactics they used to get Brexit will be used against them soon enough and there'll be nothing they can do about it.

    Anyone who's ever read a history book will know that University students have always been very active in agitating for change. Universities are hotbeds for debate. Since Conservatism is a moronic idea for 99% of people, it performs poorly.

    Johnson isn't bothered though. He's feathering his own nest and has an array of hateful dullards in the right positions to ensure that he can't be challenged.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    But as I've told you for God knows how many times now the electorate didn't back Johnson, he may have won a majority of seats but a majority of voters voted for parties that didn't back his Brexit plan.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Since Conservatism is a moronic idea for 99% of people, it performs poorly.

    In recent history, the only time that Labour Party won was when Tony Blair moved the party to the centre (some would say centre-right).

    Apart from that, Conservatives have dominated the past many decades in the UK.

    Johnson secured a whopping majority over the hard-left only 3-years' ago (emulating Michael Foot's catastrophic performance against Thatcher in 1983). The Conservatives have been in power for the past 12-years.

    The Labour Party has only held power for 13 years out of the past 40 years; or 23-years out of the past 77-years (since 1945).

    So, your conclusion, given the full light of all of the above, simply does not match reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    actually the poster's conclusion is correct when all evidence is examined, however a large minority of british people like hardship and will vote for the party that brings that.

    certainly there was a period of growing up in the 90s meaning someone like tony blare was able to become prime minister, but for now those days are gone.

    johnson did not win over the hard left as there is no hard left party in britain, what he did win over was modernism which a large minority of the british people are not ready for/don't want just yet, but they will come around when snatcherism finally destroys britain, which it will and is very much on the way to doing so, starting in 79, slowing down in 1990/91, but ramping up hugely in 2010 and working away since.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Quite a patronising, snobby, and condescending attitude toward the British people.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Johnson won in the north partly by promising to finish Brexit. Essentially, what passes for an achievement in modern conservative thought is waiting out a clock. In any case, he failed disastrously as evinced by his continual need to bring Brexit back into the debate again and again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Much like the attitude the Tory party and the minority of people who vote for them have towards Ireland and the rest of Europe, what goes around comes around.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not partly, almost exclusively.

    The same working class people who you want Labour to defend, actually supported the Conservative Party / Johnson.

    That's the disconnect that Labour have from their own crop of voters. They think Labour is so out of touch they felt they had no choice but to vote Conservative to ensure their vision of politics is enacted.

    I say "almost exclusively" because other matters, such as the pro-Woke nature of Labour, also caused the party to hemorrhage support to common sense conservatism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Eskimo, your list of the hard left reads more a like like that don't agree with you.

    The middle class are now the hard left? Andrew the accountant with wife and 2.4 kids, a three bed semi-d and an estate car is the enemy?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you have a "if you can't beat them, join them" attitude toward the Conservative Party?

    I don't accept the premise of what you've said either, so that's a double-whammy of damnation right there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So a Tory MP didn't threaten the EU with "perfidious Albion on speed" and then wasn't meet with raccous applause from his supporters? And that's just one of the many examples of torts and their voters and the contempt and ignorant disdain they have for Europe.

    Calling a spade a spade isn't stooping to their level its fighting fire with truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    ah yeah but he also talks about pepa pig and goes vrumvrum vra ra ra

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    common sense conservatism? hahahahahahahahahaha.

    eradication of the police and a huge increase in crime while claiming to be the party of law and order.

    selling off of courts and police stations, under funding of everything and destaffing of everything meaning barely anything gets done.

    showing contempt on a daily basis for the people who voted them into government, lieing like there's no tomorrow and taking people for fools and mugs.

    claiming to be physcally responsible while throwing money around to cronies, especially ones who don't even have the experience to do what they are being required to do.

    common sense conservatism alright.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolute rubbish, from top to bottom.

    The hatred and distortion that the hard-left have for Johnson and the Conservative Party is bordering on irrationally unhealthy.



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