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Strange New Worlds 1x05 - 'Spock Amok' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

  • 02-06-2022 09:03AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭


    Strange New Worlds 1x05 - 'Spock Amok' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Well this episode had me from the opening. They seem to be very able to tread a delicate line between homage to TOS without it becoming eye rollingly cringey!

    A solid episode, wasn't as gone on the La'an and Number One stuff, but the rest was good solid fun. For me it wasn't one of the best so far, but still thoroughly enjoyable.

    It's just nice to finally have fun Trek back again. Solid hijinks, which we all enjoy! And Anson Mount is just knocking it out of the park. He really has a fantastic ability to emote through his facial expressions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭corkie


    "It's not a crazy stretch to say that Trek can be funny," says Alonso Myers. "It is canonically funny many times. It can handle that tone. We have an incredibly talented cast who are also very funny. So it was really important to me that we do an episode that tried for funny. But it's an hour long and there's always a moment where funny doesn't sustain it, and you need it to be about something. So I would call it like a dram-edy. We have that tone in it. And I think it feels like Star Trek to me. I loved writing that, and I will tell you, there is no funnier human being than Anson Mount. He's got really good comic timing." ~~ Link

    It was an okay episode.

    An example of body swap, I know there has probably been others?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    An example of body swap, I know there has probably been others?

    Off the top of my head there was the DS9 one where Dax met her previous hosts, not quite a body swap in the Freaky Friday sense here, but still close. There was also the one where the Dax symbiont was robbed and Jadzia would die. A very literal body swap for the symbiote!

    Other than that I can't think of any others at the moment. There have been many episodes though where characters were taken over by alien entities. There was at least one in Enterprise, and I'm sure there are a half dozen more floating about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,367 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Thought that was an excellent episode - the perfect blend of getting to know the crew and seeking out new life with a nice twist

    How can this show be so great then you have Picard and Discovery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭liamtech


    This was a great 'Fun' episode - i tend to divide Trek into different categories of episode with 'fun/nonsense' episodes having their own section and ranking. And this was good fun. No complaints at all. All of the characters got a good shout - Chapel is still half irking me - only because she IS CHAPEL - were she another character (brand new original) - id be 100% fine with it

    In terms of the body-swap story-lines of the past - i think this ranks above the two mentioned by by @corkie

    • Turnabout intruder - frankly embarrassing at times - one of those eps that didnt age well, and that i would be reluctant to show my daughter - its been half retconned (unofficially) to suggest that Lester is unsuitable for command not due to her gender - but due to the fact shes a lunatic (which IMHO she is) - never the less - NOT a good outing for ST-TOS and a shame it was the finale of the run
    • Vis a Vis - not a favorite of mine at all

    The above is the body swap ep that always comes to mind for me as my LEAST favorite episode - i just felt it was all OTT - and just an excuse for silliness

    While the premise of this weeks SNW isnt original - for me its the first good FUN episode of the modern era -

    AND - Strange New Worlds is 5/5 on good eps!!! Delighted really, and i will rewatch!

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  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The score used during the Spock fight scene was great. Brings back so many memories of Kirk in a torn shirt fighting something on an alien planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 462 ✭✭eadrom


    Loved it.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,411 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    I liked this. And it's telling they can do this so soon in a new series, and it still works with the characters because they've been able to establish them so soon. The body swapping trope has been done before, but it's done in a restrained manner and avoids the cheese.

    In terms of how Chapel is presented, I like the character, but she seems very different from the Chapel of TOS. She didn't get much screentime, but seems much more distant and colder back then. But all the same, a new viewer wouldn't have knowledge of her and Spocks later connection, and they'd miss the context of a lot of her scenes in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's a nonsense episode..... And I loved it. Reminded me so much of those DS9 episodes with A, B and C plots. It was good fun, comedy elements, witty lines and a decent storyline. It just worked. With a nice small nod to TOS.

    Great character development for Nurse Chapel (she's growing on me) and Enterprise Bingo is hilarious.

    I know body swap has been before, but it was just entertaining and enjoyable to watch.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Lookit, that whole episode was just pure lovely and the solar sail ship was a proper treat even if it wasn't the Bajorans that I'd guessed in another thread.

    That was so wholesome!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,158 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Just watching it now and am guessing the first scene is some nightmare that Spock is having. Anyway was watching it and was sure for a second that he got the head chopped of with the weapon lol thankfully wrong

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    Loved it loved it loved it.


    I’m amazed at how they have found the exact formula I wanted from a modern Trek show. I’m totally invested in all these characters. Don’t know how any of you can be complaining about Ortegas or Chapel so soon. I like both of them.


    Some thoughts…


    • T’pring is a stunning looking Vulcan.

    • Having 4 separate storylines going on in one goofy episode deserves credit.

    • I properly laughed at the body swap bit when Pike came to Spocks quarters. It was excellent Trek comedy.

    • We got character growth/insight on Spock, T’pring, Chapel, and Una.

    • Pike is such a great Captain and character. Initial fears from many that the knowledge of his faith would hang over him throughout the season have been firmly put to bed.

    • That’s 5 vastly different episodes and 5 episodes I could watch again. Wow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,158 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I like the fact that the Enterprise is getting repaired after its battle with the Gorn. I kinda guessed this episode would be something like that in the last episodes thread so am glad I got that right.

    I think Spocks wife is much more Vulcan in this one too but she still has feelings.

    I did not like when Laitenant La'an said I will go do security stuff.

    Why could she not just say I will go back to my post it my job Captain.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 462 ✭✭eadrom


    Pike’s green tunic is class! Little things done right.

    the whole show looks great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,367 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    My only complaint about this show is there's only 10 episodes - damn, I want more than that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,158 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    That was another excellent episode and very funny too. I watched "The Orville" before this and while it was also very good it was sad at times. I am glad I watched "SNW" after "The Orville" .

    I loved the view of The Enterprise and the Aliens ship from the negotiations room and yes that alien sale ship is a thing of beauty and yes as another poster said above T'pring sure is beautiful.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,384 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Not just fighting something on an alien planet - Kirk fighting Spock himself, in that same place! That iconic score is from this;


    Another cracker of an episode from SNW anyway, a great fun aside in the vein of the good 'ol days. "We are getting dangerously close to hijinks".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,158 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    MAybe season two will have more. 15 episodes a season would be a nice amount to have. I guess they wanted to test the waters first to see how it does and hopefully it has been successful and popular.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,367 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Seeing episode title

    Untitled Image

    Fun episode.

    Their mannerisms were clearly different. 😃 I was thinking I would've liked to have seen Spock do T'Pring's job but sure had said she wouldn't be doing anything. So was happy that showed it. I should've guessed they would when the case was mentioned at the start.

    Since I never really watched TOS, I can't compare Chapel so I like her as she is. Clearly she hopes Spock does too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Id be happy enough with 10 if they keep the consistent good storytelling, plots, etc. My worry of 15-20 episode season is that we'd end up with a few more Fair Havens. Probably best to avoid that. Or like Picard season 2, whole thing could have been wrapped up in five episodes.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    I think it's safe to say that any concerns I may have had about SNW in this new era of average-at-best Star Trek have been completely eliminated. Picard was absolutely abysmal and Discovery was ok, but THIS is Star Trek. We have had more character development in 5 episodes than some regulars in DSC and STP have had in seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭corkie


    Untitled Image

    Spock Gets Slapped Often on Star Trek TOS




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I can name more of SNW Bridge crew and backstories after five episodes, than four seasons of Discovery and her bridge crew. Bar Saru or Stamets, the rest are entirely forgettable.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    The tone they struck in this was pitch perfect, amusing enough to be just the tonic after a dark episode but not enough to descend into farce. Loved every minute of it .

    When I read an interview with the showrunner describing this episode, it felt like the episode with the most chance of disappointing but its turned out to be my favourite so far.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Exactly - first thing I said afterwards was that Disco wouldn't have been able to pull off such a character-heavy episode after four seasons because I didn't give a crap about nearly any of time. This does it after a build up of four episodes.

    Are there a completely different set of writers involved or something? The show hits all the right notes of a proper crew, fun stories, good themes - all the core Trek principles. And the other shows miss them all. How can it be the same people?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    ^ this!

    I wagered 400 quatlloos on the guy with the ears!

    5 good episodes in a row!!!!!! What a time to be alive !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    "Dangerously close to hijinx" may be my new favourite line from Trek.

    Honestly I am loving SNW so much. The casting is superb, the relationships and friendships between the cast and crew is progressing so nicely and you can watch it start to build up so easily. I loved that little hint at the end between Orgtega and Chappelle.

    As a side note, one of my key gripes with Discovery was that 3-4 seasons in, we knew so little about the crew outside of Burnham and maybe 2 others, but 5 episodes in we know so much about the characters on SNW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭corkie


    Another body swapping episode: -

    The “soul sharing” katra transfer ritual is not without precedent; Spock temporarily transferred his consciousness to the mind of Nurse Chapel to avoid being destroyed by Sargon in “Return to Tomorrow.” (He clearly took this incident with T’Pring as a learning experience!) ~~ Link

    To score a full “Enterprise Bingo,” all ten of these items must be completed:

    * Use Transporter to Reflavor Gum

    * Phaser Stun Duel

    * Turbolift Two-Floor Shout Challenge

    * Set the Universal Translator to Andorian

    * Gravity Boot Hang Challenge

    * Medical Tricorder Challenge: Vulcan Marsupial

    * Food Replicator Challenge: Durian Fruit

    * Sneak a Tribble into the Transporter Buffer

    * Sit in the Captain’s Chair

    * EV Suit Challenge: Unsanctioned Space Walk

    * Sign the Scorch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Anyone else love the song they played as the credits began to roll, it felt a little more GoTG then trek so I wouldn't want them going back that well too many times, but its title/lyrics about "looking for love in all the wrong places" perfectly reflected what our characters were going through, Spocks ultimately doomed relationship with Tpring, Chapels, ultimately, we assume, unconsumated crush on Spock, and Ortegas crush on Chapel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,384 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    As an aside, I'm also proud of the writer's for NOT having someone say; "you've been Freaky Friday'd?!", and go on to explain the 'classic 20th century film'.

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