BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Minority majority = 43% of the vote but over 50% of the seats. In fact in 2019 43% got the Tories an 80 seat majority which is a minority majority.

As for partygate you are gonna have to try someone else for your rabbithole.

You can argue against facts all you want but there is no question across anyone who knows what they are talking about that PR-STV is one of if not the most representative way of electing a government. You claim its about big parties clinging onto power and yet its the one voting system thats gives the biggest chance to smaller parties and independents. FPtP makes it virtually impossible for smaller parties and independents to get elected. Take UKIP in the 2015 UK general election, they received 12.6% of all votes and yet won no seats, that would not happen under PR-STV. Conversely look at how well they and the Brexit party did in EU elections run under PR-STV they always won a ton of seats.

If you really want to understand the differences watch the best explainers out there on FPtP

and STV

Labour aren't even kinda left any more. Never mind "hard".

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They just tie themselves up in other nonsense instead.

The Tories have thrown the entire UK under the bus. The Tories have now thrown the GE result aside to argue that the deal they campaigned on is actually not what the people want and they will decide what it should be.

Labour lost the red wall seats because they said they would lok to continue negotiations with the EU, the Tories claimed they had an oven ready deal. The LP have been proved to be completely correct and now the line the Tories are running with is only they can renegotiate with the EU!

In terms of dopey debates. It is the Tories that continually go on about Culture wars and woke. The LP are busy calling for help for the Cost of Living crisis, windfall tax, which belated the Tories finally accepted but of course made so many provisions that it is little more than PR.

Currently the LP are 10/11 points clear in the polls. The Tories lost 500 seats in the local elections. If LP are a laughing stock then serious questions need to be asked of Johnson as to why they are not only gaining ground but are looking more and more likely to win to the next election.

Ah ok, so it's simply partygate that is the problem. This of course is despite the Tories continually telling everyone that people have moved on?

So you think people are making political decisions based on whether Johnson had some cake, but talking about peoples rights and other issues are a massive turn off?

People are turning against Johnson because, as you admit yourself in terms of immigration, he is proving to be completely incapable of doing his job. His own party are openly talking about getting rid of him. No longer defending him, but rather making the case that somebody else might be even worse.

The big problem of the Tories is that they are out of ideas. They have no clue how to deal with the rising inflation, impact of Brexit, etc. They have seemingly no idea on how to make things better for people and thus they are facing into the next election with almost nothing to offer.

LP may also have nothing to offer, but as with Johnson, people are willing to go with anybody that says that they can make it better. And Johnson, and the Tories cannot make that promise as it is on their watch that the problems arose.

The recent Local elections and current opinion polls would suggest that the LP is very far from utter destruction. So far from utter destruction are they that the Tories party are not inacting LP ideas such as the Winndfall tax.

Cue Sunaks line that its definitely not a windfall tax but an energy profits levy on windfaLL profits that are being taxed by the levy........

Labour are in a civil war as you call it thanks to FPtP because if the left of the party seperated from the centre of the party, as naturally should have happened years ago to create 2 seperate parties, the Tories would run away with election victories for the forseeable future thanks to FPtP. Its the same reason May had to endure similar party infighting during Brexit negotiations to hold together the centre and the right of the party aka the ERG because if she allowed the party to split they would lose to Labour for the forseeable future again thanks to FPtP.

If the UK had PR-STV both parties could naturally split as they obviously badly need to and stop trying to be these massive overfilled tents for everyone on the left and everyone on the right while they ultimately spend more time fighting about what their party stands for, which both parties are absolutely guilty of, instead of trying to fix what is becoming more and more a clusterfvck of a country.

Its Labours fault because they were too useless to stop the Tories.

Oh also. Starmer is useless (until the curry thing when suddenly it would be a huge blow if he left)

Labour are tearing each other apart so can't mount a challenge.

It's the same copied and pasted off the right wing echo chamber bllsht we have been hearing for a few years now.

to be honest i completely forgot about UKIP they were such a joke party and irrelevance ultimately dispite their cult fans trying to swamp everywhere.

That's true representative democracy. Everyone gits bits of what they want instead of a single party with 40% of the vote running riot for 4 or 5 years.

As much as it pains me to say it the likes of UKIP deserved seats in parliament for the amount of votes they got.