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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,826 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    No,the complete opposite.

    I think it's the best thing on at the moment and it's going to be remembered as a classic.This "slowness" that people refer to annoys me. It's a drama not a Marvel action show. The "slowness" is character development, scene setting etc and it's what makes the show so good.

    Scratching my head as to your opinion on the lab building being pointless? How when it costs lives, is still relevant this season and is important in BB?

    Maybe this show just isn't for you.

    Post edited by murpho999 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭trashcan


    It was a hell of an ending Like most it seems I thought at the first shot of the candle it would be Lalo at the door. Once he did arrive it was obvious ooor old Howard was @ goner.

    One plot point that did jar with me just a little. Howard explained how Jimmy set up the fake PI by calling HM to update their records with the fake number. But how did he know Howard would hire a PI ?



  • Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah Lalo is excellent in fairness. I'm starting to find him to be the only captivating character unfortunately. Even Gus Fring has lost his mystery and villainy.

    Regarding the lab plot line, I seem to recall I wasn't the only person on here to find it tedious and questioned why the story even needed to be told. Some German guy had to be killed. Who will build the lab now. Pretty much anyone else will do. The slowness is something I previously had no problem putting up with. At the start of the last episode we had Lalo in a sewer for a few minutes. Half of that could have been left on the cutting room floor. So many scenes are drawn out like that. I don't see how that is developing a character further to be honest. I can't stand Marvel if that makes a difference.

    Finished up the last episode and find myself agreeing with Howard when he was asking Jimmy "Why?". The whole feud seems so contrived. I wanna know what happens at this stage without having to sit through it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    The thing about Gus is the ageing I think - I get too distracted with how much older the younger Gus looks :D



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,943 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I find most of the overarching 'plot' stuff generally interesting and compelling, but what brings me back season after season is the pacing and rhythm of each episode. There's nothing on television that has such a distinctive 'feel' and flow to each episode - slow-burn yet still fitting in lots of cool scenes and forward momentum into each hour. It always gives scenes - from the most action-packed to the lighter, trivial asides - space to breathe, and as I said earlier in the thread each episode feels satisfying and complete as its own little experience as well as another chapter in a serial. It's a particular characteristic I think only a handful of great shows manage to pull off correctly - The Sopranos or Mad Men spring to mind, although again BCS's particular tone defies direct comparison. It's not the only way to tell a great story on TV or anything like that, but it is damn effective when pulled off correctly.

    Barry is one ongoing show that has some of that same magic, although given that's a 20-30 minute show and more overtly comedic it does so in a very different way. Atlanta too, although (and I haven't seen the latest season yet) that's far less concerned with the serialised side of things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    A theory as to how it goes down, why on earth does Gus have to hide a gun when he is on his own turf. You were saying it was obvious what was going to happen, I thought it obvious he was going to turn off lights, count steps etc, but have not a notion as to why. I already said it before.

    "Like why does Gus not just carry a gun? it already showed he has them hidden on his body. If drawing Lalo in why not have a sharp shooting henchman/men lying in wait, along with his own gun(s), why risk his own life? Is he expecting to set up a meeting and both parties and be patted/frisked down by some intermediary (could even be Jimmy!). If he does he has to be sure to end up in the correct position."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,616 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Good nature v nurture BCS thoughts here. ‘Wolves v Sheep’.

    Interestingly, the narrator has never seen BB.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,284 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Assume its going to be set up where he welcomes him in, shows him there's no gun, no henchmen lying in wait so he's safe. Then a flick of the switch and out comes the gun.

    Assuming the theory is correct that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭NickNickleby


    My post was just waffle, and editing it made it worse 🙃.

    Will return when I have something interesting (in my own head) to say.

    Couldn't see how to just delete the darn post.....

    Post edited by NickNickleby on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    "Better Call Saul - Mike De-Aged"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeH5_-4xkfE



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Enjoyed all the previous seasons, resubbed to netflix today and binge watched season 6, found myself losing interest and skipping scenes from the first episode. It all seems stupid and completely arbitrary in terms of plot and character motivations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,616 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Fan theory that ‘Jeff’ the taxi driver and the Albuquerque car airfresher are linked to Kim.


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    For me this is as good as breaking bad !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    What's the idea for the huge break between episodes? Almost forgotten what's happened already.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Something about catching two Emmy award ceremony eligibilities I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Anyone else think Howard was just pretending to be dead ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,407 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Maybe. He definitely wouldn't have wanted to get mixed up in whatever Lalo is involved in. He needs that like he needs a hole in the head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭bren2001


    There were production delays. To get the season out on time, they needed to put a break in. It was AMCs suggestion. Covered in the BCS Insider podcast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭gladerunner


    Am i right in saying that Jimmy thought Lalo was dead, but Mike had told Kim in the coffee shop that Lalo was still alive and he was telling her because she seemed the smarter of the two.

    Will she end up having to tell Jimmy...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I've been rewatching Breaking Bad and the scene in the final season where Mike has to abandon Kaylee in the playground because the DEA is coming for him hits a lot harder now after BCS given all the extra time we've seen them together.

    It also puts into context Mike's anger at Walter for ruining the good thing they had with Gus's operation given the huge amount of work that Mike put into building the lab and (presumably) defeating Lalo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭irs


    It's a good show overall but at times they do dwell way too much on things that don't matter and often neglect what does. Howard being married is the sort of thing that should have been revealed years ago. It's an important detail about a major character and it wasn't some hidden away secret. That 1984 flashback of Kim with her mother is another thing that should have shown much earlier.. It's very well made but I don't think the characters are as well developed as Breaking Bad even though that supposed to be one of BCS's strong points.

    Also Howard finding out Jimmy was responsible for the HHM insurance issues and everything that led to was a much better way to set up the final season which Howard trying to take down Jimmy than the confused story they went with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,856 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,616 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm



    Theory that Kim was always a bad egg, and tried to suppress her ducking and diving mindset.

    Which started with those ill-gotten earrings she kept, that her mother gave her

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,560 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Just finished that one myself in my rewatch, felt exactly the same. Obviously the different actor for his granddaughter slightly takes away from it but when you look at the two shows together as one story, Mike certainly has the widest and most sentimental arc of them all.

    Another thing I've noticed in the rewatch which may have been obvious to most already, Gus isn't half as much a villain as Walt was. As well as that, I actually enjoyed him taunting Hector having seen their story play out between this and BCS. Gus is something of an antivillian now in my eyes, written as a psychopathic antagonist but I couldn't help but side with him on a lot of things this time around (obviously not having the child shot though).

    The main reason I wanted to rewatch was to piece together what might happen with Lalo and Kim in the final episodes. The only theory I have for Kim is:

    She somehow ends up in a high legal position within Madrigal before the end of BCS. How she gets there, that could go any number of ways, but rather than the theories of her tying in with Lalo, I think she'll cut a deal with Fring, her and Jimmy guaranteed their safety in exchange for setting Lalo up for the kill. With that safety comes complete separation of the two, though.

    Mike's interaction with Kim in the diner and the fact that Saul is never allowed any contact with Gus in Breaking Bad (he knows a guy, who knows a guy, as he put it, but he does know his name still), are the convincing factors for me.

    So my prediction for the ending of the series is Gene getting on a plane to Germany in the hopes of reuniting with Kim, but we don't see how he gets on with that.

    That's my brain dump anyway. It'll be nice to have it in writing in case there's any truth to it, but knowing Vince Gilligan, absolutely nobody has correctly predicted the events of the final episodes yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I was listening to the Insider podcast for that episode and the writer / director had a disagreement with Jonathan Banks regarding the scene where he leaves Kaylee at the playground. Banks thought that Mike would rather be arrested than abandon Kaylee alone in a playground. The writers / director justified it by saying that Mike probably called Kaylee's mother off screen to tell her where she is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,407 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd still agree with Jonathan Banks. It felt extremely out of character that Mike would have left Kaylee. Even if he rang her mother, surely you'd be talking at least 15minutes before the mother would have gotten there.

    The only real way to justify it would be that some of the cops would have stayed watching Kaylee in order to try catch Mike, but still, just didn't feel like something Mike would do. He would have gotten arrested, waited for Saul to get him out and Walt to pay his bail, and then did a runner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭RickBlaine



    I agree too. One of those moments where the plot took priority over the character.

    I do wonder though if they would have written a different ending for him if they knew in hindsight how his character was developed in BCS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭AlanG


    I just caught up with the show (S6Ep7) and was really disappointed with the first half of this season. Super slow and more about cinematography than story. The massive ratings for the final episode on IMDB suggests that most casual observers have given up in the show. Killing off Howard in the way he was does not make it an amazing episode, it seemed badly planned as even though it is a very slow , character driven show they seemed to cram in the redemption of Howard into the last couple of episodes (Wife, reflective speech, shrink). The whole Howard storyline was badly played out. Massive amounts of time given to a story line with no clear motivation, a huge reliance on good look for kim and Jimmy to succeed , rather than a clever plan and in the end an easy conclusion to the problem.

    I fear that the writers are going for the recent trend of trying to get viewers to grow to hate the main characters and kill off the likable ones just to show how unconventional and clever the writers are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,287 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Interesting the new teaser with Kim's voiceover with the blood smeared candle it's at the start of this breakdown




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I disagree with this but just to pick up on your last paragraph, getting the viewers to grow to hate the main character is one of the main arcs of Walter in Breaking Bad and arguably likewise with killing the likable ones (Mike, Hank, even Gale). If it is a current trend (I don't watch enough TV to notice it), it was probably inspired by BB to begin with.



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