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Monkeypox virus

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not a requirement, but they tend to be international parties - easily gathering thousands of homosexuals.

    So the potential for spread is enormous at these parties.

    The Circuit Festival (see below) in Barcelona, for example, attracts up to 70,000 homosexuals from dozens of countries around the world.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But is plain-spokenness about the spread of diseases within the homosexual community 'homophobia'?

    I don't believe so.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of course it's not homophobic.

    It is well established that gay men are more likely to have multiple sexual partners compared to straight men. It's a simple fact of reality. And with that, comes the additional and predictable risk of catching more venereal disease and/or spreading new viruses into communities that previously were not present.

    The HIV/AIDS pandemic, which is still ongoing, is widely (but not entirely) associated with the gay lifestyle.

    It's quite obvious that Monkeypox viral disease is spreading through the gay community in exactly the same way.

    In the United States, syphilis is rapidly spreading through gay men, but not the same rate in straight men:

    In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States

    and...

    Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men have a greater chance of getting Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, and HPV.

    The worst thing we could do is not make these obvious associations because that undermines the education campaign needed to inform members of the LGB-T community of the additional risks they are exposed to, and the steps they can take to mitigate those risks. Sweeping everything under the carpet and pretending no associations exist undermines that progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    It's definitely curious. I wonder is there some kind of link with people going off on holidays and throwing caution to the wind after the last two years.

    Or perhaps contaminated animal products. The authorities seem pretty certain that there's nothing novel in this, which suggests it's a weird flash in the pan.

    Anyway, the rush to pin this is a "gay disease" is gas. There's a reason why in medicine they usually say, "Men who have sex with men" in these contexts, because "gay" implies men who are attracted to men and/or exclusively have sex with men.

    This is why the media and the WHO are not using the term "gay". Nothing to do with homophobia. Anyone who insists on using the word "gay" though probably has an ulterior motive.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's splitting hairs, though, with definitions.

    We could go around saying "men who have sex with men", or we can simply talk about the fact that most Monkeypox infection has been spread at, yes, gay sex parties.

    Not "men who have sex with men" parties. True, they exist - in bi form, for example, but they are a minority of a minority.

    And as someone who regularly attends gay bars and so forth, I can attest to the fact that gay men are far, far, far more likely to have multiple sexual partners - but everyone knows this, which is why gay lifestyle itself focusses on sex. Think of Pride and the ostentatious, sexual displays and fetishisms, for example.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    "Men who have sex with men" covers a lot more than just bisexuals too. You've got male prostitutes, people involved in open relationships, male porn performers. It's a much wider net than you think it is.

    This is why they don't talk about the risk to "the gays", because there are plenty of men who will simply not include themselves in that category. There's also a considerable risk to women who may have had sex with a men who has sex with men and be completely unaware of that fact. Again, if you say "gay", you make her think she's not at risk.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I completely understand the value of that distinction.

    The only thing I'd add, however, is that this initial wave of disease has been sourced to two gay sex festivals in Madrid and Belgium.

    And I think it's noteworthy to bring that up, but also to recognize that other close contacts from participants of those events may well catch the disease.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You sure do love spreading all sorts of homophobic tropes about gay and bi men too.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They're not "tropes", they're provable behavioural facts.

    Men who have sex with men (MSM) have higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections (STI) than women and heterosexual men. This elevated risk persists across age groups and reflects biological and behavioral factors, yet there have been few direct comparisons of sexual behavior patterns between these populations.


    Among MSM, 86% of 18–24 year olds and 72% of 35–39 year olds formed a new partnership during the prior year, compared to 56% of heterosexual men and 34% of women at ages 18–24, and 21% and 10%, respectively, at ages 35–39.


    MSM have longer periods of partnership acquisition, a higher prevalence of partnership concurrency, and more age-disassortative mixing than heterosexuals. These factors likely help explain higher HIV/STI rates among MSM, despite higher levels of condom use.


    Sexually transmitted infections (STI) disproportionately affect men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM comprise approximately 2% of the U.S. population, but accounted for 59% of new HIV infections and 62% of cases of early syphilis in 2009.


    Prior research has found that MSM tend to have higher numbers of sex partners than heterosexuals.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Your sitting in judgement about it all and delight in describing it all so negatively is the homophobic part.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,015 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Wonder did the NIRL case travel through Dublin airport and onwards on public transport like the first Covid case on the island?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's nothing wrong about male promiscuity. I'm not making a value judgment on promiscuity within the LGB-T community.

    What I'm saying is that all the evidence suggests that this promiscuity has health-related consequences. This is a simple statement of reality.

    To deny that causal link is to indulge in Trump-level dismissal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Very unfair. The poster is gay himself and just refuses to lie or sugarcoat things. People get offended and insult the poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    So are Paddy Manning and Keith Mills. They're still homophobes.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's the amazing part.

    The hard-left only accept gay people "with the right opinions".

    Those who articulate the clear and the obvious, as I have done and referenced above, get demonised as "homophobic homosexuals".

    It's quite astonishing!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    why did you hook up at the airport? risky business



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    we are just a vote away from this regime the WHO Treaty will impose this on us and our government will say we cant do anything !! But they CAN - THEY CAN VOTE NO !



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    They can't give us any info for privacy reasons, apparently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Don't know about other Pride Events but I've been to numerous Dublin pride parades and there are a miniscule number of attendees dressed in fetish gear.

    Very strange that 99% of people walking by you in the parade would be dressed in jeans and t-shirt and your takeaway is that pride focusses on sex.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Circuit parties are not gay sex festivals. That's hilarious. Are you sure you regularly go to gay bars. You seem to know absolutely nothing about the gay scene.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Careful. You'll get labelled an extremist for highlighting the homophobia 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,366 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I have now heard about 4 radio pieces on this virus, as well as a few on tv.

    Very few are actually telling it like it is.

    It's being talked about like the new covid. To the extent that my own mother of 80 was saying to me, "is this the next thing, I suppose I will have to wear that bloody mask again now when out".

    I told her there is no chance she'll get monkeypox, but listening to the tv news she thinks she can.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,372 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    she is probably in one of the safest groups. People that age probably still received the smallpox vaccine which also protects against monkeypox.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Also a lot less likely to be having it off with strangers!



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,366 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Monkeypox is the opposite of COVID, really; in that those older cohorts of society are the most protected as they have been exposed to smallpox-like viruses and/or have had the smallpox vaccine itself.

    Monkeypox is most serious in children and young adults. But even then, most cases are self-limiting and do not require hospitalisation.

    That said, there won't be a COVID-like wave among children or young adults because the virus is nowhere near as transmissible. Yes, Monkeypox can theoretically spread through the air, but it travels in the largest droplets (the ones most likely to just fall) compared to COVID that inhabited the tiniest droplets that can spread easily through the air across reasonable distances.

    For all intents and purposes, this is a sexually transmitted infection among the LGB-T community. Not an STI in the classical sense, but in the sense that it's almost exclusively spread through those means at present (with knock-on household transmission).

    The media are acting disgracefully in whipping up fear about this virus; all for clicks and comments. It's not just this virus, too. Every time bird flu or other wild animal virus cases are found anywhere in the world, you can be guaranteed the BBC and others will churn out an article, knowing full well the sensitivity of the COVID experience. Truly awful organisations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭growleaves


    "The media are acting disgracefully in whipping up fear about this virus; all for clicks and comments."

    They have an amoral business model, which is why ordinary people should practice distrust and scepticism of what the media put out.

    Though in practice we are probably too immersed in media for proper detachment. 'Switching off' is the only remedy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭petronius


    Is there merit in offering the vaccine (the same one as smallpox) since we have one, to at-risk groups?



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