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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,479 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Kim went to see Lalo in prison when Jimmy hadn't come back due to the money. When Lalo suspected Jimmy lied about what happened, he confronted Jimmy and Kim in their apartment. Kim managed to convince him that Jimmy was telling the truth. Lalo left. He may still have had his suspicions, but he decided to leave.

    However, Jimmy and Kim believed he was dead. We don't know what Lalo wants with them, but they know they lied to him (whether Lalo knows that or not), they know he's now showed up which means he wants something which isn't going to be good, and I think they were even more scared because Howard was there, and a slightly drunk angry Howard could make things go incredibly badly. They were as afraid for Howard's safety as they were for their own.

    They were right.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Oh man. Was not expecting that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,479 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yes, Lalo met Mike. Gus gave Lalo and Juan Bolsa (I think) a short tour of some other construction work at the chicken farm to try throw Lalo off the scent as he had suspicions. Lalo already knew someone called Mike was working for Gus and was a key man, so asked to meet him. Mike was posing as a kind of manager overseeing some of the construction and security.

    (I rewatched the last season of BCS before the start of this season due to how long it had been)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    About to rewatch with Mrs Damask on 4K ....



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    One of the few times watching TV where I actually did exclaim, "Jesus!" I had thought Kim would be a goner but no, I wasn't expecting that. So cold and brutal but so very very well done. I presume this is breaking point for Kim and she'll be looking into vacuum cleaners in the very near future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I did think Kim would have a breaking point with regards Jimmy but I think Howard was right and that for her it was fun taking his life apart for the scam.

    I don’t believe she was asking for Howard to leave for his well being. I think she saw how Howard’s presence made the situation more dangerous and I think she thought that if Lalo left him leave then he could be reasoned with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Eduard Khil


    Mr H.O. Ward was in the wrong place at the wrong time Lalo wouldn't have wanted any loose ends maybe he is/was just there to talk


    Howard is drunk but he's also oblivious to who Lalo is HHM doesn't do criminal justice law they do cushy class action and high end banking and business law not the down and dirty stuff. Howard wouldn't know a cartel man if he met one. It shows the effect not being in the rat race can have and its not even the fact that Howard was born a lawyer it's that he hasn't gotten his hands dirty ever really and not knowing how an evil suave ruthless mutha fucker like Lalo thinks is what separates Kim and Saul from Howard.


    It's gonna be a long 7 weeks until we find out what happens next.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,353 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I can't add much to what's already been said. There was a lot of set up, in the set up (photo shenanigans, and Jimmy still wearing gloves in the handover, scene of the crime, I guess) and so well-handled, as usual. Thinking back over it - from Howard preparing the room, the Chuck reference and how another initial in HHM has now been extinguished. I was reminded too, of Saul being Howard with the tan/make up and all, when the camera focused on Howard's face in the big meeting.

    I did enjoy the parallel between Lalo being in the gutter by choice and Howard ending up there. There is an ugliness to watching someone disintegrate like this, particularly when we see Saul and Kim listening in, coupled with that ending and the head smack, Chuck walloped his too. Feck. It's all deeply uncomfortable and damn fine TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Eduard Khil


    Mike has pulled the guys from the not too important sites to all convey on Gus I still think he will have cameras or something watching Jimmy and Kim but same as Gale scenario in Breaking Bad the cavalry will arrive too late and Lalo will be gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    FAAACCCKKKKINNGG HEELLL !!!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I liked the way Jimmy said “How…” when he sees Lalo…. at first it sounded like he was compassionately saying “How…ard” but he is actually asking Lalo “How?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I know plenty who gave up after s1 was too slow etc. I can get why - as most tv series would have regular- crash bang wallop. And little or no slow build. Not for everyone have to be patient.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,830 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    All I can say after the shock of the end that this was probably the greatest and most perfect episode of any TV show I have ever seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    How did he know the phone was tapped? Seemed like the hold music triggered it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,073 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I was expecting Lalo to show up but I jumped out of my seat when he did that. Holy ****



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,830 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    He heard clicking/tapping on the line whilst on hold. Very obvious on each call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    There was a little clicking noise when he was on hold he knew it was tapped .

    Post edited by Snake Plisken on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    While he didn't die by his own hand , I saw parallels with Nachos death whereby Howard also delivered home truths and dropped truth bombs before exiting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    I can see Jimmy and Kim having to dispose of Howards body. Lalo is officially dead so even if they called the police when he leaves, after agreeing to whatever he wants from them, the cops won't buy their story plus Howard's body showing up dead in Jimmy's apartment after his allegations against them to Ed Begley Jnr will heap suspicion on them. They'll have to make it look like suicide (his depression, marriage break up and supposed drug and hooker problem) or else hide the body. It's not going to be a fun episode for them after the break!

    I'm still waiting to see which way Kim flops. She could still end up Bonnie to Lalo's Clyde. Jimmy will only go so far but Lalo will go all the way over the line. Kim might take that excitement over a life of regrets and guilt over Howard and other decisions she made. Maybe the vacuum cleaner disappears Lalo and Kim with a payoff from Gus to get him out of his life. Maybe Lalo is tired of dealing with insane Salamancas and crooked partners, and fakes his death to escape a life in prison on murder charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    It's been a great couple of years living in the Breaking Bad universe yeah BCS was slower paced but I enjoyed it more, I can't believe we have only 6 episodes left and I will miss it when it's gone.

    I look forward to what Peter Gould and Vince Gilligan will create after this bell if be down for a 6 season show with Gene as a cinnabon manager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭ThePentagon


    That was mind-blowing! 😄

    Seriously though, I don't think I've ever been so shocked and devastated by a character's death in BB/BCS. Howard really became more and more sympathetic as the show progressed - I felt he was destined for an unhappy ending....but not like this!

    And the way the story was executed (pardon the pun) was masterly. The showdown between HH and Jimmy/Kim already made for an intense scene but you could sense as it continued (with the increasingly abrupt camera shot changes and that damn candle) that something was not right. And the look on Jimmy's face when he saw Lalo enter the room was like he saw a ghost. The minute between when Lalo showed up and when he pulled the trigger was like watching a car crash in slow motion - just the incongruousness of seeing Lalo and Howard in the same room added to the horror of it.

    I'm gonna need a day or two to recover from that 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Insane end to the first half of the season.

    Lalo will obviously be taken out by Gus/Mike before he can report to Don Eladio.

    Gus confidently tells Hector that all of his family are dead in Breaking Bad, Jimmy and Kim won't have a clue it's happened but you'd expect he'll have a fitting ending a la Face Off.

    Poor auld Howard got a raw deal.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,974 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Just to add, the shock and horror on Jimmy and Kim’s faces when they realised the danger Howard was in was masterful acting from Odenkirk and Seehorn. Especially as it was preceded by several minutes of their familiar, straight-faced ‘I have no idea what you’re talking about’ act. The transition from that to urgency and terror and genuine pleading with Howard to get out was a real moment of high tension. They’re two people constantly lying and playing 4d chess with others and we’re so used to seeing it… so the moments when the facade drops pack a real punch. And that was a particularly strong punch!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,566 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    It’s really incredible how Vince Gilligan and the team can create a prequel of a show where every character’s fate is already known, and yet still pull off shocking moments like that. And not just pull them off, but perfect them. This show should be a case study for television writing and directing, it’s just that good.

    The month and a half break is going to be painful after that ending, but I think it’s the perfect time to rewatch Breaking Bad which is something I’ve been putting off for years. Have to fill that Gilligan-verse void somehow. 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    Better than I even hoped.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    That cheery 'Let's talk' was pretty f*cking chilling

    When I saw the amount of replies on this thread I knew it would be good

    Why have we to wait 6 weeks for more, THIS ISN'T FAIR!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,870 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    There's a fair warning in the thread title. I avoid this thread from when the episode airs until I've actually seen it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,612 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I don't think I can top any of the comments above really. Fantastic hour of television.

    I haven't always been convinced by the pacing and somewhat indulgent intro scenes at times, but it's been a great watch all the same, particularly in the later seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,479 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw someone point out how Howard twisting the shaken can mirrors Lalo twisting the silencer, and how Chuck probably used to do that to all his soda cans out of habit because Jimmy would probably shake them when they were younger.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    After all the build up thats how Howard went out, what an amazing episode.

    I reckon Kim will go into hiding and thats why you never see her in Breaking Bad. Hope she doesnt die.



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