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RTÉ journalist found guilty of sexually assaulting woman as she slept

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Teacher2020


    The word groping was used in the article. You can use any excuse you like to defend him but what he did was wrong and I hope they give him a severe sentence to send a message to all the people who think this behaviour is acceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,129 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    as i said earlier , the lesson is if a woman ever starts this kind of thing , ask her to leave immedietely , once she no longer has any interest in sexual activity , her reason for being there in the first place is erased , she is effectively a stranger in youre house who could potentially steal from you or anything

    i dont bring back people to my house to merely nap beside me in bed , its always been this way too and its served me well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    I'm not defending him, I'm just pointing out that people get touched all the time when asleep , but to me the main point is when she said stop he stopped .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Right, So you knew if the other person would be into it by non verbal cues and body language, Has anybody here argued with that? The only lads here talking about contracts and nightlights probably need to stick their hard drive in the microwave.


    No-one is saying that a vebal yes has to be communicated every 90 seconds for it to be consent, what the rational people are saying is a communicated No and falling asleep are very much refusal of consent and if you ignore them you are a creep, and if you defend someone ignoring them, you are a creep.


    (I'm not referring to you BTW)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    I wonder what did she expect him to do after meeting him to discuss the situation because of the way she felt after their encounter...they couldn't undo what ever happened but she obviously expected some kind of recompense for her grievances towards him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    Fair enough.

    To me it's simple , she said stop, he stopped and said sorry I'm horny.

    Now I dont know what he said to guards etc but based on all this consent we hear about, being asked to stop and then stopping seems straightforward to me

    I would like to know why it took so long for it to be reported because something doesnt add up here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,169 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Assuming you're right (I'd ask what evidence you have to reach that conclusion but I doubt you have any), then they're two very different things aren't they. One is sexual assault, the isn't. Similar to if you walked down the town ccenter and got mugged - you might regret your decsion but its not really the point as the mugger is the one who committed a crime. So they're pretty different categories of decision.

    You can trivialise the bloke's decision if you want, and say its the same as the woman’s decision, but it would miss the entire point what's happened, wouldn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,169 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You know the law better than the courts? It doesn't seem so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,169 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I do feel sorry for the bloke in this instance (assuming he shared the same last of knowledge consent that's on display in this very thread, thennhe might not have known he was committing a sexual assault.

    He now has the double whammy of discovering he's committed a sexual assault, is a sex offender and has caused trauma to someone when he didnt intend to. That's a tragedy on all fronts.

    There are loads of people in this thread telling you they would do the same and not consider it a crime. There's a severe lack of knowledge and discussion around consent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    he didnt " have sex with her " !


    anyone who cant read a piece properly would want to have a long hard look at themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    "She said the assault had left her traumatised and feeling lost in the world. She said she was sexually violated when she was at her most vulnerable.

    She said the night of the attack was the last time she would ever go to sleep feeling safe from attack."


    So traumatised that she actually went back asleep and it took a year for her to report it ?

    Last time she would ever go to sleep feeling safe from attack ( she went asleep right after said attack)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,129 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    Getting on top of someone and groping them as they sleep is sinister as ****. Goes way beyond a gentle attempt to initiate sex.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Once again, this is a criminal trial, not a civil one.

    The lengths people will go to defend this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,169 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    In your heart of hearts, don't you see what the problem is with what he did? Initiating sex with an unconscious person, without consent is OK by you as long as they stop when told to do so? You see no issue with Initiating sex with someone who is asleep?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    We were discussing the purpose of her meeting with him shortly after the incident Sherlock!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Can she now issue civil proceedings against him for damages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Wandered in here. I’ve believed for a long time that going home with a complete stranger while under the influence is a bad idea for everyone - male and female.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    sexually assaulting someone and stopping halfway through because they said no is not consent, please tell me you don't actually think that.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    And you know that how? Were you in court when this evidence was presented?

    Also, you seem hell bent on defending someone who thinks it’s ok to perform a sexual act on a sleeping person. An insight into your behaviour perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    She wasnt unconscious though was she ?


    In your heart of hearts do you not see the problem with her just going back to sleep in the same bed as him after such a "traumatic experience".


    Do you seriously not think that a lot of sex has happened from someone initiating sex with someone who has been asleep ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,169 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Wait, you don't think she was asleep or you don't think sleep is a state of unconsciousness?

    Sure. Lots of sex is initiated while one person is asleep. If that's thier bag then there's no problem. If it's not their bag, then it's sexual assault. If they've discussed it in advance, then there's consent. It they haven't discussed it then it's in the lap of the gods whether it will be greeted with appreciation or a conviction for sexual assault.

    Hope that clears it up.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I have never once had sex with anyone which was initiated from either them or me being asleep, because I know exactly what could happen if I do.

    As said, some might like it, but if that’s the game you want to play then see how far it gets you when you find someone who doesn’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    There’s nothing more than a hell of a lot of bravado nonsense talk in this thread tbh. I don’t believe for a minute that any of the lads making claims would do what this man did by climbing on top of a woman while she slept and proceeding to commit sexual assault. Of course he knew what he was doing was wrong, and so do all the lads here winding you up.

    Talking about consent or anything else wouldn’t stopped this man doing what he did, it wouldn’t stop anyone who didn’t care that the other person didn’t want to have sex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Are you seriously this niave? What do you think she's going to do after the criminal trial now? Civil here we come so he better hope he doesn't have extensive assets yet.

    The ridiculous contradictory victim impact statement was all about this. Hamming it up as much as possible. It doesnt even make sense. So traumatized that she went back to sleep that night directly after the incident, let him drive her home, texted him after the incident, met up with him after the incident & then decided over a year later to go ahead with the accusation. Yeah, sounds very traumatized alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭SAMTALK



    Unconsciousness is the state in which a person is unable to respond to stimuli and appears to be asleep. They may be unconscious for a few seconds — as in fainting — or for longer periods of time. People who become unconscious don't respond to loud sounds or shaking.


    If I was asleep and someone was touching me I would know, but If I was unconscious i wouldn't know !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Look if you're not bright enough to keep up with what's being discussed then that is your problem entirely!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    It's not a game, it happens.


    i have been asleep and my partner has initiated sex with me, sometimes I have responded and sometimes have said " not happening"


    Same applies the other way around.



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