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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure any resources need to be put into that, nuclear doesn't have a strong case by almost any metric



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I would expect the shady money to back wind while the other money should prefer Solar

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    You will no doubt appreciate the fact that Koch industries likes Solar. The Koch industries reference starts 35 minutes in Planet of the humans


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We are at 1.2c of warming and already seeing enormous damage from severe flooding, droughts, heatwaves. The loss of coral reefs, the collapse of insect popukations, more extreme storms etc.

    We're on the path to 3c of warming within this century.

    We haven't seen anything yet.

    You're like the fellah eating 5k calories a day saying 'it's fine, just some love handles'

    We're on a path that will definitely lead to extreme climate change unless we make the decisions and investments ASAP to change our course

    No new fossil fuel infrastructure, all of our resources should be used to transition as quickly as possible to carbon neutral sustainable energy and our economic activities need to be sustainable and stop externalising the environmental costs

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande




    For anyone interested in the Wijngaarden & Happer, 2020 paper atmospheric H20 & CO2 bands are saturated and cannot block any more radiation.

    Pay attention to the red line below. This is what the planet would radiate to space if you were to double the CO2 concentration from today’s value. Right in the middle of these curves, you can see a gap in the spectrum. The gap is caused by CO2 absorbing radiation that would otherwise cool the planet. If you double the amount of CO2, you don’t double the size of that gap. You just go from the black curve to the red curve, and you can barely see the difference. The gap hardly changes. Doubling CO2 makes almost no difference.

    The paper also shows H2O (i.e. water vapour) to be as "extremely saturated" (their words) as CO2, so the claimed water vapour positive feedback that supposedly causes the dangerous warming cannot occur.

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    Here is the man himself to explain better than I can.


    Now I'm off to burn 3000 of those 5000 calories on a 60 KM cycle this afternoon.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Nuclear has a strong enough case that it is recognised by the E.U. as a transitional energy source along with natural gas. Both of which our green muppets are opposed to without having a single viable alternative. No strong case there for the Irish Green party by any metric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    In other words you were attempting to make a case for there being a worldwide shortage of LNG and natural gas based on nothing but some vague idea in your own head without knowing that LNG is natural gas liquefied and when challenged on you throw in a podcast. When challenged on if that podcast backed up your vague idea, as per usual, just more of your ramblings to avoid answering a single question you are asked.

    Rather than posting these vague ideas, it would help if you did at least a little research first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Biomass certainly does not appear to be an attractive proposition for growers here. Even for the relatively small amount of it used as an energy source, according to the latest SEAI interim report 15% of it is imported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Stop with your shite talk🙄

    natural gas derived from the breakdown of ancient dead stuff. Simply put its fossil gas, if you can’t understand the basic concept your at nothing lad.

    There is worldwide pressure on the supply of liquified fossil gas commonly called lng, why because everyone is scrambling to get away from Russian supplies.

    As to the overall rant, you“challenged” me as to where I got information regarding the 1billion price tag on the proposed LFG terminal in Ireland amongst other things. I told you where, I even posted a convenient link but if your not up to investigating anything or you have an army deafness claim in which means you can’t listen to an RTE podcast. that looks like it might question you’re dogma then that’s your problem not mine 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Does it not tell you something perhaps about the unreliability of renewables that everyone is scrambling to get LNG ?

    The LNG that the E.U recognises as a transitional energy source and is in negotiations with the U.S. to bulk buy where you like the rest of the green supporting geniuses are cheerleaders for banning as well as attempting to ignore that with Barryroe we might just have our own supply of natural gas, without any of you having a creditable alternative ? Shite talk indeed.

    What is your big hang up with the cost of a LNG terminal ? By your metric we are going to invest 10 times that amount in 3 off-shore wind farms that unlike either natural or liquefied gas provide energy regardless of how much wind is blowing ?

    Take a look at the coastline of Europe. Are you saying that for some unknown reason you are correct and all those countries that have LNG terminals, and are building more are incorrect ? Or that you are aware of something that Germany, the former poster country for Irish greens are unaware off in building two new LNG terminals and are also investing in floating LNG terminals ? Pretty much what our neighbouring country where 75% of our unsecure gas supply flows through are doing the same.

    Does any of that even register with you that with an unsecure supply from a country whose own natural gas is becoming so depleted that they are importing the majority of their own needs that the muppets you are cheer-leading attempting to ban LNG and ignore our own possible supply of natural gas do not have a creditable alternative to keeping the lights on ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Listen to the podcast, come back then but until then stop spouting off in my direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14



    Listen to a podcast that lasts, what, a half hour, and attempt to figure out from that what it is you are attempting to say and then get back to you.

    Have you completely lost the plot ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭therapist3


    Qatar have an abundance of gas and in the US the price is so low for most wells it is simply burned off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Qatar has known reserves of 600 times their present annual output. The U.S. has 98 years of known reserves.

    It`s not information that is difficult to find yet some, either due to being too lazy or it doesn`t suit their agenda, insist on posting meaningless waffle as if their own vaguely expressed ideas somehow beat reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    if you can’t be arsed fine but stop spotting off in my direction with your shite talk, moving the gold post nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    That guy is a total fraud and has himself been rumbled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    That 'paper' gets the basic science completely wrong

    Probably why it's not in a peer reviewed journal

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The problem isn't that we don't have enough fossil fuels. It's that we cannot burn them without causing catastrophic climate change

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    No moving goal posts and not spotting off in your direction for the fun of it. You posted what I felt was vague nonsense and when questioned on just more vague nonsense about a podcast.

    If you do not wished to be questioned on vague nonsense then stop posting it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    In the real world of here and now the real problem is that we need fossil fuels, in our case predominantly gas, to keep even the lights on.

    Our present supply via Britain is unsecure and Britain are now back similar to Russia sabre-rattling over the Northern Ireland Protocol on top of them now importing over half their own gas needs. Meanwhile the Irish Green party are attempting to block LNG, which is not only recognised as a transitional energy source by the E.U. but which would also leave us in E.U. energy security compliance, and are determined to ignore that we could even possibly have our own source with Barryroe, without having even a half credible alternative.

    It`s complete and utter insanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    In the real world our gas supply is secure enough. The risk of having our gas shut off temporarily in a hypothetical worst case scenario nothing compared to the certainly of climate change

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Britain has stopped taking gas from Russia and is instead getting gas from the Netherlands. The Netherlands still get shipments from Russia. The reality is cause of the interconnector Ireland is getting gas from Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Had you been attempting to prove you have no idea how the real here and now world works you could not have made it more obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    They get 15% of their natural gas from Russia, but have said they are stopping the importation by years end. They intend to make up the shortfall by importing LNG and are now expanding their LNG terminal in Rotterdam and a floating terminal is being built in Eemshaven for that purpose.

    Following your logic Ireland will be getting LNG gas. Ironic is it not that the Green Party is attempting to prevent us importing LNG and you support that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We cannot control how the UK source their gas, the fact that they have multiple supply chains means the chance of Ireland getting cut off is very low, so we do not need to duplicate LNG infrastructure here

    We should focus on 21st century infrastructure

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I could honestly care less how the U.K. gets their gas. I just found it comical a poster was trying to paint us as a user of Russian gas where following his logic, and usual lack of even basic research, the result would be our using LNG which he and the Irish Green Party are so opposed too.

    Neither we or the E.U., similar to Russia, cannot control how the U.K. acts after their own nationalistic jingoism with Brexit and now their rumblings on another spat with the E.U. on the Northern Ireland Protocol. If you cannot comprehend that with the present energy crises then you have no comprehension of why our own regulator and the E.U. views us as regards energy security or why we need a LNG terminal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,624 ✭✭✭✭charlie14




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    No I didn't

    (See its easy to just assert things)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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