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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    if it were a christmas game in cork then it would come very close to selling out at least. novelty factor, people being home for christmas, first time theres a meaningful game in cork for years.......all adds up

    what if alot of things?

    re: season tickets, id imagine moving any such game would need to be planned well in advance so the season ticket options could be altered (as they should anyway, 1 interpro should be in cork every year)

    that was before PuC was re-opened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    PuC is a non starter though, isnt it?

    Pitch wont be fit for a game



  • Administrators Posts: 55,728 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Non starter for a numer of reasons I would guess, but my point is it would be better for Munster to play there than Dublin. Was mostly reacting to the suggestion that there's no issue with Munster playing in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    they were asking for 300,000 a few years ago apparently, so 500,000 now isnt out of the question i suppose

    id imagine any round of 16 and most likely QF games will be in TP. then again, i always thought cork would have a decent share of games and look how thats turned out

    if its just for URC id say one or two game agreement is the way they should go, novelty factor will wear off after a while most likely and numbers will slip a bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    as for your first point, money will make the decision when it comes down to it. if the CCB see it as a way to make money it'll happen.

    second point is simply untrue too. the (failed) RWC bid showed why rugby and other sports need better access to GAA stadia around the country. everywhere apart from Dublin its the GAA stadia that have any significant capacity and in rugbys case, more use of GAA grounds should be looked into to keep 'home' european games in their actual provinces rather than just going straight to the aviva



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    That’s great. Need to have the local radio stations get behind this and hype it up a bit. Hopefully Bank of Ireland will start promoting this properly as well as they did in the 2000’s - they need to do more than have a name on a jersey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    Munster will also offer free tickets and transport and hospitality to every priest in every parish in Munster. Communions to be rescheduled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Your first and second paragraphs contradict each other.

    If "money will make the decision when it comes down to it", then IRFU are not going to want to pay rent to the GAA when they have a perfectly good stadium of their own. That's the reality. The cost of renting a GAA stadium for one game would pay the salary of a world-class NIQ signing for a year.

    The Rugby World Cup is a totally different scenario and of no relevance here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I didn't suggest there was no issue with it. Plenty of people have issues with it. However, there is no burning need for it.

    This is also the first time since Thomond reopened 14 years ago that it's come up so I'm still not sure what problem we're trying to solve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,878 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Tickets for €25 and a bus return for €10, it's a bit of hassle having to go to Dublin but it's after working out cheaper than a quarter final ticket price in Thomond



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    not at all.

    firstly, i was referring to the fact that if munster are seemingly trying to make it happen, the only major roadblock left would be the gaa allowing it and money will be what dictates that when it comes down to it. the CCB are/were notoriously backward but money talks

    as for your second paragraph, that is not the reality. there is a cost/benefit to everything and the munster branch obviously see a potential benefit from increased ticket sales against the rental costs etc,. the non-financial benefits are hard to quantify (impossible maybe) but i imagine would/should be taken into account also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭phog


    For members of the MRSC you can get a Match Ticket €47 & Return Bus €10

    That's the match sorted for 57 quid. Great work by Munster Rugby and The Supporters Club



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭mun1


    every time a match venue is discussed its the same old heads on this (and other) forums “what about cork !!”

    munster wisely invested in thomond park over 15 years ago , and its now the home of Munster rugby.

    There’s 5 other counties in Munster and they don’t continuously whine about holding games in cork.

    When we do hold URC matches in Musgrave Park, we are lucky to fill the ground for some games. (Only just over 6k at Benetton match )

    id much prefer the day out in Dublin than going to a GAA stadium in Cork (or anywhere else) that puts MR in further debt. And its looks like you can attend the Toulouse match for as little as €35 door to door, and yet they still whine !

    GAA grounds are a non runner. IRFU owns and operates its own grounds . Why would they pay someone else to host a rugby game ?

    it’s like buying a house, paying a hefty mortgage every month on it, and then renting another house at huge cost to hold a party .

    yeah shame this one was able to be held in thomond park but if that means we can get more money for players, then good.

    see everyone on the 7th in the Aviva.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    its because its a perfectly acceptable question. cork is the largest urban area in the province and has a strong rugby following/history. kerry, waterford, tipp and clare dont have these to the same extent, although id like to see underage/A/womens games be moved around these areas a bit to increase exposure

    all games in IIP were sold out in 2019 (last proper season for a few years). the irish U20s games tend to be sold out most times too. so 'the lucky to fill the ground' part is untrue.

    its been explained already that the munster branch dont see use of PuC bringing them into further debt

    'id much prefer the day out in dublin' - fine, but what about the fans based in cork that would like to attend a meaningful game on their doorstep for once? european games havent been in cork since dec 2002 (ridiculous) but at least for a long time half of the celtic/magners/whatever league games were in musgrave, with a big interpro being one of them. now there are 2/3 league games a season at most against very weak opposition and maybe a pre-season game to bring the numbers up. its completely fair for people to be pissed off at the lack of games and a european semi/ leinster urc game in PuC every so often would help make up for it.

    'its like buying a house, paying a hefty mortgage every month on it, and then renting another house at huge cost to hold a party' - no, its like your partner demanding you buy a house in the smaller city that they are from, making your family up sticks and move there with you, then getting pissed off that you suggest visiting your home for christmas or a holiday every so often

    i get that munster has always been a strange situation in that the 'traditional home' of rugby isn't in the largest city and to be honest, nobody is asking for all the games to be moved to cork, not even for half of them even. but a more important game, rather than just run outs against cannon fodder, or the possibility of an actual home european semi shouldnt be too much to ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,928 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The PuC debate should not even be on the agenda.

    As soon as any entity like the GAA gets government money for its development it should be designated as a municipal stadium and come with the caveat that it must be available at cost price to other entities for other events.

    The same goes for any ground that gets public money it should be available for public use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    completely agree and i think part of the planning conditions were that i were to be allowed reasonable use by other sports. how enforceable that would be when it comes down to it is a different matter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭phog


    As someone who has to pass Thomond Park to drive to Cork I've no issue with Munster hosting matches in Cork. My season ticket includes Musgrave Park matches.

    Do I think they should use PuC? Only as a last resort and that's mainly because GAA fields are too big for rugby. I hated Croke Park for rugby matches.

    I think some of this discussion is based on some kite flying by Donal Lenihan and that Munster aren't that close to using PuC. Do I think they looked at PuC or other GAA grounds for the QF? Possibly but for not much longer than it took them to accept a request to host Ed Sheeran concerts. A home QF for Munster was going to be in TP or The Aviva.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    What is the fixation with the location of this match, we knew 5 days ago it was going to be in the Aviva, like it or not. 5 days on and people are still going on about it. It's in the Aviva, between ticket prices and buses Munster are going out of their way to help people to get there. Yet still some people aren't happy.

    Time to focus on the two games between now and then first and then the actual game. I've followed Munster to South Africa, and all over Europe (including Dragons and Zebre). No the Aviva isn't Thomond but we can still turn it red!



  • Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The context of the decision the Munster administration had to make around the Ed Sheeran gigs too does bear some consideration.

    They were struggling somewhat finanically even before COVID, have found themselves in a situation where they were laying off staff and having to reduce their playing squad numbers. They saw a guaranteed chunky payday from these concerts and took it, knowing they had the backstop of using the Aviva if required.

    I get it wasn't a decision made for rugby reasons, and I do accept it probably reduces their chances of winning the tie, but the there are commercial realities to this business too.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Ive argued on both sides of this but it just makes more financial sense to play the game in Dublin. All games do sell out in Musgrave and a game in PuC would get a very good crowd but the rent to open PuC doesnt make it better for Munster compared to the Aviva. There hasnt been big games in Europe in Cork because it made no sense to.

    Age grade/womens interpros should overwhelmingly be on in Thomond/Musgrave. A games should definitely be moved around more like they were in British and Irish Cup which regularly had A games in Clonmel, Nenagh, Waterford, Tralee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    GAA have done all the work and its their organization. Why should Cork City get the benefits while putting money made into paying themselves and players? Why do professional teams have to push in on a amateur teams facilities ? The IRFU only need 4 stadiums while the helped pay for Munsters, Ulster was paid by the brits, Connacht have the worst stadium in world rugby, Leinster play in average at best stadium. Where is all the money going???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    it makes it better in that a large proportion of fans wouldnt have to travel 3(ish) hours to support a team that they already have to regularly travel 1.5/2hrs to support at 'home'.

    how did it not make sense to have european games in cork after 2002? good few years between then and the redevelopment of TP

    30 million euro of public money went to PuC, it should be available for all sports, simple as. Same way every other stadium that gets public money should be multi-use.



  • Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Money in rugby pays for players in the main not facilities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    So you want every sporting organization joined up together and use the same Facilities and change sporting calendars to suit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Correct. So Rugby players get rich while the GAA build facilities for the IRFU. No wonder people think rugby is full of entitled asses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Ulster with no Vermeulen are not the same. Munster should win with the strong team they named



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Musgrave being about half size of Thomond at time so it made sense then.

    There would be a large proportion of fans having to travel several hours to games regardless of where the game is. and home being in inverted commas is ridiculous. its still a bloody home game. Munster had to reduce using 2 venues all the time and to consolidate in 1 as it made far more sense in every way just like it made far more sense to consolidate into 1 training venue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭phog


    how did it not make sense to have european games in cork after 2002? good few years between then and the redevelopment of TP


    Because the old TP had a larger capacity than MP. Extra ticket sales meant more revenue, extra revenue allowed for more investment in MR.

    Once the H/Cup took off as the competition to win was there ever a European game in TP with less capacity than could have been catered for in MP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    no but there could be co-ordination between fai, gaa, irfu etc as to when each get to use the stadium. happens in other countries with larger urban populations so it can/should happen here



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,728 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    What work? Filling in a grant application?

    Give us a break.



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