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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Here's another genuine victim of global warming

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    Not quite so funny.

    Or what about these?

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    Or these

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    This is at 1.1c of warming

    We're facing 3 times as much warming within the next few decades

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They would be generating carbon free electricity most of the time, which means we don't need as much of that gas

    It's really not that hard.

    It's like if I grow my own food that allows me to be self sufficient for 10 months of the year, but for 2 months, I need to buy food from the supermarket. If the supermarket food goes up in price, it would affect me for the full 12 months if I didn't have my own independent food for those other 10 months

    Ireland has a natural absolute advantage in wind generation

    We have a brilliant resource available to us, and you are arguing that we focus instead on something that we know is extremely scarce, expensive to exploit and won't last more than a few years

    You try to pitch that at the dragons den and you'll make the highlights reel but for the wrong reasons.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Given that not one single person on this thread who advocates renewable energy has said we should be 'off grid' and interconnectors are a big part of our long term strategy, does this logical fallacy count as a massive straw man argument?, or a red herring?. Probably both

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,583 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s not that difficult to understand that when the wind is not blowing those turbines are generating nothing, and as we have practically all our eggs in the unreliable wind basket, we need natural gas to prevent the lights going out. And before you start on batteries, with the long periods of no wind this year, batteries would not put a dent in what would be required over such periods.

    You mentioned earlier that everyone agrees we need fossil fuels for years to come, so why is Ryan sitting on his hand on Barryroe ?

    Or why are our bunch of muppets attempting to ban LNG when our own regulator, unlike some here, seeing the realities of us not having a secure energy source to back up unreliable renewables (and by not doing so us not being in compliance with E.U. directives), recommending we have a terminal for LNG ?

    Looking off wishfully down the road at future distant years when we have somehow reached 100% renewable energy for all our needs I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the magic thinking that this is going to happen by some magical leap. It`s not, and the sooner some wake up and realize that the better for all of us.

    Right now, and for years to come, we are going to need fossil fuels and for us that is natural gas. The greens seriously need to wise up and recognise that rather than behaving like headless chickens running around attempting to ignore we have in all probability a viable off-shore source, as well as attempting to ban LNG which would give us a much greater degree of energy security and have us complying with an E.U directive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Because we have Corrib for years to come. We should be using those years to build storage capacity instead of arsing around with fossil fuels

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,583 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    How much of our natural gas needs are now supplied by Corrib and when is the Corrib field due to be depleted ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,583 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Neither I would say. Use the national grid as an interconnector and we would see how successful or not that experiment would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,583 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Because it would do you no harm to take a look at the realities now and then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Or, you could just tell me what your point is...

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    ...

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    We already have access to gas via the Uk, we have a connection to the UK grid, which in turn is connected to France

    We also plan our own direct connection to France

    Connect to France means we are connected to the entire European grid.

    Not a single person on this thread has mentioned anything about off grid or any of the claims you made.

    The Kerry LNG if built will cost 650m and Irish home owners will still be paying for it after it shut down. It won’t make electricity cheaper, it will make it more expensive

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    By who?

    Which political parties actually support it? I can't find any

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The date is 2026. As per the company announcement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    As has been discussed many many times we need gas to transition to 100% renewables.

    This is a fact know by everyone except the acolytes on here.

    We need that gas to be guaranteed and indigenous as noted by cru, climate change council, and anyone with sense.

    We have a gas field that could be developed relatively quickly that the energy minister is blocking.

    Therefore when the grid comes under pressure from lack of gas to generate electricity we know who is to blame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You are advocating that we depend on the UK gas grid to generate our electricity which goes against what the cru and the climate change council is recommending as has been pointed out numerous times on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You clearly don’t know how much gas is provided by corrib to provide us with electricity and gas for heating.

    It’s approx 50% of our overall needs

    corrib runs out in 2025.

    Your plan is to depend on the UK to replace these needs which the cru and climate change council have raised concern about and said we need our own guaranteed supplies.

    Why do you think you know better than them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The date for first production at the Barryroe gas field is 2026 as announced by the company.

    But thats not what you said in your previous comment

    You indicated that Barryroe was only now seeking an Exploration Licence and that's incorrect.

    But hey no matter. It looks like we're making some progress. Previously you were claiming we wouldn't see anything from Barryroe until 2030 lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Previously the poster didn’t even know about corrib let alone barryroe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    And here we go again. Would you stop repeating the same old stuff again and again. None of which stands up to inspection.

    We already have access to gas via the Uk, we have a connection to the UK grid, which in turn is connected to France

    We currently have access to the UK gas supply, which unfortunately as our Energy Regulator has pointed out, is no longer a secure supply following Brexit. The point being we have no security of supply or preferential access to UK natural gas supplies. That and the fact that the UK gas reserves are running out.

    Ditto access to the UK grid and any supply it may get from Europe. Point being the UK is no longer in the EU or has any preferential access to the EU grid.

    We also plan our own direct connection to France. Connect to France means we are connected to the entire European grid.

    The connector to France is a proposal which whilst would certainly be great on paper - is still only in the planning stage. With France now experiencing countrywide electricity shortages and has been importing Electricity from other countries. The proposal for a France - Ireland interconnector is now looking more like something we hope might happen than otherwise.

    The Kerry LNG if built will cost 650m and Irish home owners will still be paying for it after it shut down. It won’t make electricity cheaper, it will make it more expensive

    The 'Kerry LNG' won't cost Ireland a red cent as the building costs are borne by the company involved. And why do you imagine any such costs would accrue to "home owners"? That doesn't make any sense.

    You were asked previously for a source for your claim that a LNG facility would make electricity "more expensive". You have consistently failed to do so.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The disappearance of coral reefs and small islands in the Pacific is sad Akrasia.

    But they are a long, long way down my priority list.

    Cheap, abundant and easily stored energy is firmly at the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton



    Great, so what are you going to do about China opening no less than 43 coal powered power plants over the next few years?

    You're barking up the wrong tree if you think little agricultural Ireland is going to make a difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    None of those photos you showed are proof of global warming. In fact I've got much better photos that "prove" global warming. People on a warm sunny beach on Christmas day, I mean if the world continues like this we'll all be at the beach with a Koala on the barbie.

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    The coral bleaching is a university funding scam, someone went and looked at the John Brewer Reef behind the latest Guardian headlines and bought back photos showing the reality behind the press release.

    The Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) have been tasked with reporting on the state of the corals and coral cover. They surveyed John Brewer Reef in March, made no mention of any coral bleaching in their report, and stated coral cover to be just 21.8%. There are no photographs.

    Underwater photographer Leonard Lim visited this same coral reef a month later and his extraordinary underwater photographs show a coral wonderland with more than 100% coral cover across much of the reef crest that extends for nearly 5 kms.  At the reef crest a great diversity of different corals compete for light – often growing one over another. It would be absurd to suggest there was only 21.8% coral cover here.


    For anyone with interest in Australian climate here is the anti-witchdoctor kit for bushfires and "climate change", just don't mention inconvenient data points like Black Thursday 1851 or the after effects of the recent Hunga Tonga volcano.



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    The raving of a religious maniac put forward as fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Neither of you will address the intermittent unreliable nature of random energy generation. You divert attention from this fact by claiming an extension lead to the neighbours will solve this problem. You are not paying attention to what is happening on the other side of those extension leads, the governments in those jurisdictions are doing the same thing: shutting down their reserve capacity, increasing random energy generation and increasing their demand for natural gas to deal with the fluctuations in output from said random generation, while at the same time increasing demand for electricity and not resolving bottlenecks in transmission.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Because we have natural gas reserves for years to come. 2025 is years away. And we have Moffat after that. We have years to put the right infrastructure in place.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Enough for now, and years from now

    Enough time if we actually took this seriously

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    That's all fine except that climate change is real and Ireland has committed to reducing our carbon emissions

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,239 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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