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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, sanctions are nothing new. However sanctions of this scale are. Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of their foreign assets and gold have been frozen. Mass exodus of global companies doing business in or with Russia, e.g. the world's largest shipping container companies, Boeing and Airbus (Russians can no longer service their planes), thousands of Russian airline staff have already been laid off. Russia's tank factory has been forced to stop production because they no longer have the parts. China refused a half billion dollar oil deal (at rock bottom prices) because of the sanctions. Their inflation rate is already close to 20%. This is just 6 or 7 weeks in, it's unlikely the average Russian on the street will feel it yet, however over the next year it's estimated the country's GDP will contract up to 10% (about 3 times higher than contraction from the pandemic). The central bank will run into difficulty propping up the rouble (which they can do in the short term, but not the long term). They are already starting to default.

    Indeed, due to high oil/gas prices (chiefly due to the war) Russia is getting a bump in nat resources revenue, however the EU is scheduled to drop reliance significantly over the next year or two, and that's if much of it isn't cut suddenly over the short term. Russian oil exports are projected to drop by as much as a quarter this month. Again, the long term is not good. If the oil doesn't sell, it can back up to the well-heads (something is took them 30 years to recover from the last time it happened)

    Who is going to do business with a country that just seizes businesses and steals their assets? with a country that doesn't cover it's obligations? with a country and toxic currency that trigger an absolute minefield of international sanctions? Russia will survive and continue on, but everything here on in is about to get a lot more expensive for them. Even if the war ends tomorrow, no one will forget this. As for the BRICs countries jumping in, sure, but they've already shown caution, they'll exact a high cost, and nat resources infrastructure changes take a long time, especially for a country struggling to get parts and at the wrong end of global sanctions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Your wifes-friends-wife of sorts is your source.....

    As for revenues doubling; it's cost them $4 billion so far in disruption and their own financial institutions expect 8-15% shrink in the economy, basic foods up 40%, and they have, or about to, default on their foreign debt. It would be a lot worse except the russian government are artificially propping up the Ruble; fine in the short term but when you have a war going on, sanctions looming, companies pulling out, threatening take overs of companies and restrictions on foreign currency etc. then it's not strategy that has worked in the long run.

    But everything's grand according to my wife's-uncles-brother-in-laws-dog walkers-cousin who has a friend "of sorts".

    You "remember how Germany took France years ago" ...... right

    It was by convoy. In fact very early on in the invasion, a line of trucks/tanks/halftracks etc. etc. stretched from a town called Sedan in Northern France all the way back across to the German border. Old hat indeed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    That mobile crematorium turned out to be fake news. The picture was ripped from an old youtube video of some sort of waste disposal machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,884 ✭✭✭893bet


    I don’t think “happy” is the right word.


    Its easy spend someone else money as the saying goes. If they turn off the gas the prices rocket and there may be shortages and people unable to heat their homes, unable to go to work. It’s not a straight forward decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭Suckler


    So you wife''s-friends-hairdressers-maids-neighbour doesn't put were ïnformation"on twitter therefore its legit? And also things are grand in Russia but its also a "sh1tshow".

    Again, the Germans didn't take France by air. The method used (The one you describe as old hat by then despite being new and revolutionary) was a combination of air infantry and (most importantly) mechanised units. To say it was old hat by then when it was the first mechanised warfare?

    The Germans, famously, drove around the impregnable Maginot Line. As I said, in the first days in France a column of mechanised units stretched from Sedan back across the border. They even repeated the same maneuver in 1944 in the Battle of the Bulge. The Germans rolled in to Paris when the French Government cleared out quickly....no aerial "Massive scale remote bombing" was used.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    If Russia had taken over the capital and the military didn't put up such a fight Russia would not pull out the Ukraine. It would be controlled like Chechnya is now. Russia will stop at nothing until they control the coast at the very least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They "scraficied" a predicted 35 plus % of their working tank force and crews for a psycho-op you reckon

    Their tank factory and repair centre is also shut-down

    Is this all part of the Russian masterplan and has been accounted for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Germans are reliant and can't cut overnight, but they have a plan to reduce usage by 80% over the next year. That said, criticism can still be handed out, politically some German politicians are belligerent, clinging to out-dated beliefs of a better relationship between De and Ru - but every time a scene comes out of Bucha or Borodyanka, that crumbles a bit more



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In a special metal & steel rearranging operation, a bridge was liberated in russia

    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1513790391082008580?t=QQVz8Ll8FxW342JvaMqDqw&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Right. The Russians expected a quick victory, it's glaringly obvious, but it's also backed up by analysts and the Russians themselves. In the past, Putin himself boasted they could take Ukraine in a "fortnight".



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  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unconfirmed according to Snopes, not as you say fake. The source is the British defense ministry which in this instance I'm happy enough with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They could encircle the Ukrainians in the East and take a large chunk of LNR and DNR, and also hold the ground in the South. As shabby as their initial attack has been, the Russians are still potent, and militaries have a habit of learning. Obviously it's not what they wanted. I'd say they'll take Mariupol in the next days (their first major city), and there will be an especially nasty fight in the East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Seems to me the longer the War goes on the weaker the Russian army is becoming. The Ukrainians are improving and getting better equipped. For the first time I'm now seeing talks of a Ukrainian counter attack on Russia.

    I would not be one bit surprised to see a snap revolt against Lukashenko either. He must be getting worried seeing Belarus Soldiers defecting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Getting control is one thing. Trying to keep it and defend it is a totally different exercise which I doubt they will be able to do. Ukraine can never give up Mariupol it is too vital for the country. They will just keep fighting over it for years until Putrid eventually gets the Bullet himself or just dies of Cancer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    America has something like 100k troops in Europe who pays for them to be here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Despite their puff and bluster they are happy to do so. The private firms involved in US "defence"/military spending are entwined in government and lobby heavily. It's a cash cow no one dares cull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,475 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Does everyone remember when Malaysia Airlines flight 17 was shot down by pro Russian (Russian army) separatists in Eastern Ukraine with a ground to air missile delivered from Russia that morning.

    Russia still says it's fake news. No responsibility taken.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    German President Steinmeier told to stay where he his rather than visit Kyiv, proper order considering the company he has kept.

    https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1513952235826434054?s=20&t=fcr30qr6LK22hJoe51OpVQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭jaymla627



    Really informative thread, Russian army is in terminal decline and needed a injection of military age conscripts to keep it relevant, with Ukraine and its 40 million people population been the obvious choice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    If their army is on the point of collapse like he says, why is anyone afraid of Russia let alone the chances of them invading multiple eu countries?

    All of this is very much reminiscent of the covid propaganda, we're constantly led along a bit further because it's only two weeks more and we also have to be reminded of how dangerous a threat to the whole of Europe they are even though it contradicts the first bit of propaganda...

    Go figure...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Strange generalisations. Estimates are that Russian military has been depleted 10% to 20%. Militaries can restock (depending) and can get new recruits. Russia is highly aggressive and constantly a threat to other areas, even now while it's engaged in Ukraine. Currently their fighting power in Ukraine may have decreased to the point that they cannot e.g. take Kyiv, that doesn't mean they aren't potent. And certainly doesn't mean they aren't capable of carrying out "operations" elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    I find this whole thread strange, it has been hopping back and forth between "oh look how incompetent and ineffective Russia are", to "Russia are going to take over half of Europe" .

    Maybe I'm just slow but in my mind the two of these are inconsistent with eachother.

    But what they are consistent with is softening up the population for an extended conflict, lots more inflation and the long-term necessity of us buying lots of fancy weapons from America as well as paying a higher price for their lng vs cheap Russian pipeline gas. (Assuming gas markets ever go back to normality)



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All good news, russians aren't yet learning from their mistakes. Guinness book of traffic jams has new entries.

    https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1514130234806784008?s=20&t=nMXRD-hk7BTIXA0zhMchlA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Both. They have been generally incompetent against Ukraine, but are still a military superpower and as such are potent.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Finland & Sweden look to be well along on the road to joining NATO, the "great" chess master in the East acheiving what even soviet leaders couldn't 😂


    In the other East, Japan seeks capacity to strike "enemy bases", Xi must be delighted with putrid 🤣

    https://twitter.com/japantimes/status/1513722295365390339?s=20&t=nMXRD-hk7BTIXA0zhMchlA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia has several million in total, but battle-ready and trained troops? Around 300k last I read (this figure varies a lot), of which estimated around 190k committed to Ukraine (general consensus)

    Likewise they are believed to have around 13k main battle tanks, but only around 3,000 (or less) could be considered battle ready. To give some perspective the Ukrainians are confirmed to have destroyed or captured around 500 main battle tanks. Also keep in mind tanks are just one metric, Russia has considerable air power which has not diminished at the same rate as it's armor.

    However now that Russia has shifted it's goals (dramatically), they are not trying to push on the entire country, more they are going to be holding the South and pushing just the East, they "shouldn't" require as much military as trying to take the whole country. Likewise they've learnt a lot of their limitations and are adapting. The fight in the East is going looks like it will be very difficult for Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭Suckler


    You don't see it as "wonderfully positive" that Ukraine have managed to fight back to some degree??

    If Ukraine had capitulated and Russia took Kiev with ease where & why do you think they'd stop? Especially given the vast resources of the Ukrainian steppes, forestry, minerals, fossil fuels etc. etc. It would be akin to a robber breaking in to a bank and stealing the charity box on the counter unless you really believe they wanted to "rescue" their own people from Ukrainian tyranny....

    Just because it's a huge country doesn't mean they had to cover every square inch of it. eight or nine of the ten biggest cities are in the east/south east - Out of the twenty biggest cities only two or three are in the west. Cities on the Black sea would be even more advantageous to them. They have already targeted/taken many of these - why? because once you control the major administrative zones & cities the rest is quite easy to control. They also have de-facto control of northern borders via Belarus. Hungarian border area would be secured by their newly elected ally, and Transnistria region in Moldova is another pro-Russian area (ok much smaller)

    Russia has razed most of what its touched in Ukraine, potential atrocities, now deploying troops to Finland for even hinting at NATO, fired at and occupied the plant at Chernobyl -risking every one of us in Europe.....yet you lay the blame at Germany....



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