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Rugby, Do we need it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I've heard this reference to the offload as a superfluous buzzword before. It's useful let's you know the level of knowledge the person has about the game.

    @[Deleted User] an offload a particular type of pass. It's high risk, high reward and is particularly potent in attack. Pumping the legsusually refers to the leg work post-contact. In attack it's very important to get over the gainline (hope 'gainline' doesn’t trigger you). I listen to matches on the radio when I can't sit to watch them and those terms are descriptive and apt. I suppose if you don't have a clue about the game, they might sound like buzzwords.

    It betrays a lack of knowledge similar to giving out about a chip and a hoof in soccer (arent they both kicks?) or a strike and a cut in hurling for the same reason.

    Do you think if you knew much about the game, would you be more cross or less cross?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I think you need to look up the meaning of buzzword, none of the examples you’ve given would qualify as buzzwords.

    I’d be more of a hurling man than any other sport but I would enjoy watching rugby along with plenty of other sports too. As someone earlier said no real sportsperson can love one sport and hate another for no logical reason. You may not have an interest in another sport but any sportsperson would admire the talent/skill/ability etc. it takes to compete in any other sport.

    Rugby is by far one of the most technical of the field sports due to all the different rules so the attitude you have towards it is generally one that comes from people who haven’t the required intelligence levels to understand it. You find it easier to put it down than admit to not having the brain capacity to understand it.

    But hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself, you go ahead with it. In the grand scheme of things nothing said by an anonymous poster on boards is going to make any difference whatsoever to the partaking in, or supporting of, any sport so if it makes you feel better about yourself then I suppose that’s the best result you were ever going to get.

    Best of luck with it👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Is out of the rabbit hole a rugby “buzzword”? In all my years of both playing and watching rugby I’ve never heard that one used.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Not sure I've ever heard this one either. Are we sure we're discussing the same sport? Is rabbithole a rugby league term or something?



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,920 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    are we in anyway surprised that blaaz doesnt know anything about rugby?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    i have never heard out of the rabbithole in relation to rugby. If that is in your top 3 then you must be struggling.

    Id also say it is harder to find a sport that doesnt have multiple phrases to describe passes.

    Soccer-> backpass, pass between the line

    Hurling-> handpass, stick pass

    Football -> hand pass, foot pass

    Pumping the legs is generally when you have someone tackiling you and you still make meters forward. Absolutley noone i know would describe that as running. I know when i go running i tend not to have a 15 stone man hanging off me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It doesn't annoy me as much a "gah" but it's still an awful sport.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An offload being a pass in a tackle,is simply known as a pass in any other field sport.....its endemic within rugby,as its used to gloss over lack of skills,and hype/big-up some pretty ordinary basic skills



    Buzzwords/hype utterly annoy me in all areas,plenty issues in other sports with it....but rugby is utterly littered with it....you'd be utterly fuming at the rte commentry at times



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Buzzword...a word or phrase, often an item of jargon, that is fashionable at a particular time or in a particular context.



    Its a game literally full of it,utter rubbish to gloss over the poor quality of whats on offer,let it live on its own merits,not needing endless hyping up basic skills


    Such as "in the breadbasket" to describe catching a ball in a way would get you chastised in u10 of any other fieldsport




    I havnt put down rugby??...even its most ardent fans surely admit its skill levels to play are low.....its just overblown in terms of its quality,and dangerous for our youth to play it and shouldnt be encouraged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,639 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Why do they play with a crookedly ball that don’t even bounce right??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right




  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I try to get into it and understand the hype (i work with rake of rugby lovers-only one of whom has played it)


    So i try to be more social,and understand what they see in it,but fcuk me....noone will able be to convince me that "playing the percentages" with "good game management" is anything other than a buzzword phrase for winning a free and then proceeding to kick the ball back out of play.....


    how could such wankery of commentry cause anything other than annoyance,when someone take a step back to look at it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    You’re talking “out of your rabbit hole”, mate.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah yes.....unable to tackle the issue highlighted...play the man instead👏👏👏


    beyond parody at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah, an offload is a specific type of pass and is an important destinction from a normal pass in attack because of the likelihood of getting behind the defense.

    How much do you think you know about rugby? This is basic stuff. You don't seem to know the basic stuff.

    Did you ever figure out what a rabbit hole is?



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a pass when being tackled


    In essence, the offload is simple: run into contact, then slip the ball to a supporting player to keep the attack alive, rather than going to ground and recycling possession.



    [Fcuk sake even the dictionary includes buzzwords.....recycling possession is merly retaining it].....there is no justification for differentiaing it or giving it a special term imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah. It's a specific type of pass. Calling it an offload is more descriptive.

    OK, so we've established you don't understand what you're talking about. But lets pretend there's no such thing as an offload and its just a pass and offload is just a buzzword. What makes you so cross about the buzzwords in a sport you don't understand or follow?

    BTW if the different types of pass confused you and you needed to google a definition, wait until you hear about the types not kicks: chip, garryowen, kick-pass, clearance kick, penalty kick, drop-kick, grubber, kick off, and the tap-and-go. And I might be missing some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Some more,

    22 drop out, Goal-line drop out, cross field kick, spiral kick, torpedo kick, up and under, box kick, 50-22, out on the full, fly kick, hack through, touch finder, kick at goal, penalty kick, conversion, free kick, drop-off, kick to touch, kick straight out from inside your own 22, hook, volley, kick it dead, a contestable, control it (number 8 at the back of a scrum), block it (fullback sometimes stops it with his foot before picking it up to avoid a knock on), roll it back (scrum-half at a ruck),

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Slice

    And each one describes a type of kick, intention or result. But shur, maybe they should forget describing the type of kick and just call everything a kick and leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Fade, curl, end over end, inside out, banana kick, under the posts, from the side-line, slot it through or thread it through (when putting a low kick past the attempted foot block), finding grass (into open space), in behind (behind the back three to make them turn back to collect it), a probing kick (split it between the fullback and winger to make them make a decision who should collect it), kick chase, kick tennis/ aerial tennis, kicking for territory, stab it through (very short kick aiming for it to bounce up), toe poke (little touch to play it to a team-mate), loose or aimless kick, sweep it clear, clearance kick, launch it, canon it up the pitch, put it out (to end play when time is up)

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


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  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I probably mentioned it before, but the best thing about rugby is how much it annoys the exact sort of people you'd expect it to annoy. It's not the sport that annoys them - it's the connotations of what it represents.

    And that is glorious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    So you try to fit in with a group by faking interest in something you don't like or enjoy. Are you really that desperate for acceptance? That's kinda sad. And pathetic.

    And those "buzzwords" you mentioned, they're not rugby specific. I've heard those phrases used in multiple other sports. The commentators were talking about game management in the Benfica v Liverpool soccer match just the other night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I don't really understand why the U20s or the women's rugby is on our national broadcaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    Awful awful shite sport.

    Bunch of fat blokes running into each other

    No skill.

    But each to their own I guess, like GAA I have never watched a match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,639 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    All these stupid made up terms used in rugby, but I think it’s even worse in golf. Golf has got to be the worst of all sports, except cricket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Whatdoesitmatter


    No worst those made up terms in your beloved American Football



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I had a great time watching the rugby this weekend. So there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Whatdoesitmatter


    Fully agree. It was a topsy-turvy weekend. I particularly liked in the Munster game when at one point the small guys jumped on the big guys and they all started grappling and thrusting against each other. A Ruck I think it was called. They can Ruck me any day of the week



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Maybe we've figured out what a rabbit-holing is...



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