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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "I mean anyone who voted for Biden but now worries about his cognitive decline deserves everything they get. It was plain as day on the campaign trail that he had lost his marbles. I'd love to know what combination of drugs they gave him to get him through the debates because it worked and he wasn't embarrassed."

    Right so. You've gone from defending trump because of his policies to swallowing garbage debunked regularly on its very own thread here.

    Is there no one that can debate and defend his achievements or otherwise?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So basically you support an agenda to, offend, and disadvantage certain members or groups of society?


    can I ask why?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    At the time of the general election it is a binary choice - Red or Blue with a potential option of abstention , so your argument above has an element of truth to it.

    However, this ignores the choices made by the GOP themselves during the Primary process, during that phase those voters have many alternative options to choose from.

    It's here where there are absolutely no excuses for choosing Trump for any reason beyond actually liking who and what he is.

    Every single one of the GOP candidates standing will be anti-immigration , anti-abortion , anti-LGBTQ , Pro Guns and Pro God.

    Those are table stakes requirements for any GOP election prospect.

    So again we come back to - Why do the GOP voters continue to see Trump as their leader and their best shot at winning in 2024?

    It's got absolutely ZERO to do with Policy differences between him and any other GOP candidate, because there really aren't any - Mainly because Trump doesn't have any policies other than talking crap and petty revenge.

    A Trump Presidency in 2024 would just be a hate filled vitriolic revenge tour as he works to destroy everyone he believes has not shown sufficient fealty to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I guarantee I would still end up as the wise man who brings in the myrrh. didnt even get to be the innkeeper.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Welcome to the thread. I'm trying to explain to some people why voters would vote for Trump. And that is one of many reasons.


    And vice versa. Who could feel passionately about the virtues of Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden? The dribbling narcoleptic geriatric president is a laughing stock and an embarassment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,054 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You have completely failed to "to explain to some people why voters would vote for Trump" other than the fact that Trump worshippers choose him cos he's not the other guy.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump was the one who launched a global anti-homophobia drive. Not Obama. Trump. By contrast, his predecessor was openly against gay marriage until the wind changed and he realised it would be a no-brainer for his ratings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    What're you referring to? Something that Trump might've said at the UN? And, as the WaPo pointed out, actions speak louder than words. Especially in the case of Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/24/absurb-claim-that-trump-is-most-pro-gay-president-american-history/



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Let's break this down a bit shall we.


    Trump Support in the 2016 Election cycle :-

    I think most people here can understand how US voters might have arrived at the decision to vote for Trump. He was making big promises , he wasn't a Bush or a Clinton or one of their wider political entourage and so on. He very much had the element of "Give it a shot , he couldn't be much worse than the the rest" going for him.

    So , I don't agree with the choice they made , but I can see the path they took to get there.

    Trump Support in the 2020 Election cycle :-

    Now we start to get into a more difficult scenario. We had 4 years of rank incompetence from him along with scandal after scandal. He delivered virtually nothing tangible in terms of Policy Agenda despite having full control for the 1st two years in Office. And that's before we get to the utterly staggering sh!t show that was his response to Covid.

    Questions have to be asked why the GOP stuck with him despite his clear and obvious issues, but given that he was the incumbent it may have been more problematic for them to ditch him , but still..

    Trump Support today :-

    Now we are firmly into the territory of utterly inexcusable.

    He is a criminal , we now clearly know that he committed criminal acts as he attempted to overthrow a legal election result. He continues to cheat and lie on a daily basis about this same Election. He effectively commits acts of sedition virtually every day

    There is a mountain of evidence to show that he has been committing criminal acts his entire life as he fiddled his taxes and lied to investors and insurers and many others in order to personally profit.

    And yet , the GOP still bow down to him and should he choose to stand he is almost certain to win the 2024 GOP Presidential nomination when with even a modicum of spine they could off-load him and select any number of others as their nominee - Keep in mind that most polling shows that a "generic Republican" is polling better against Biden than Trump right now.

    So , The question remains.

    Right here , Right now why do people still support Trump and more importantly , why do the GOP themselves do the same?

    It's not "policy".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    If you think trump is a friend of the gay community, you need your head examined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Only via manufactured optics. Refer back above to the actual optics, and hate crime wave. At Mar A Lago this week Trump was making himself the center of attention when he asked where the Lincoln Log Republicans were in his crowd. They said "Here we are!" and Trump replied back "You don't look gay?" Everyone laughed at the joke. So obviously there's no homophobia in America anymore.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's true - I asked them and they confirm that yes, he is a friend of the community.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    See, some people would read that and think it's a light hearted moment, a quip, a laugh and everyone is OK.


    But other sad, bitter people read it and only think "homophobia".


    Personally, I know which world I would want to live in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That, wasn’t what I was getting at, but sure. If I was trying to spin it like that, I wouldn’t have disclosed it was delivered as a joke. But I guess I also must acknowledge, some people would also read that and just think ‘TL;DR’

    By all means be the change you want to see 🤛 while still living in the reality we actually live in, based on like facts and stuff incl. hate crime statistics.



  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    See the hate crime statistics are what I have a problem with, specifically:


    1. How a hate crime gets defined is very subjective
    2. If a crime happens to involve a gay victim, is that a hate crime or just an unfortunate coincidence
    3. The link from the President of the US is almost non-existent. E.g. did the hate crimes just stop since Biden took over? Or are we just not hearing about it anymore? Same deal with "kids in cages"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    How is how a hate crime gets defined, subjective, and if it is subjective, what approach should be taken to write hate crime laws?

    Hate Crime Acts: 18 US Code § 249.

    The POTUS also just signed the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Law, for a fresh example. This is an amendment to 249 to include the offenses of (5) LYNCHING and (6) OTHER [hate crime] CONSPIRACIES. The bill is H.R. 55 Emmett Till Antilynching Act, 117th Congress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,318 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Just to restate this once again - proponents of Trump and the idea of the stolen election know that they cannot actually prove anything in court because they have no actual evidence. So, what they are doing instead is restrict voting laws at a state level and get pro-Trump people into lesser office country-wide or at least in purple states. Trump and the whole stop the steal thing are just useful idiots in the project. They just help keep the anger simmering, which help get the right people in these key offices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    It is beyond question that Trump tried to overturn a democratic election. He is now spreading propaganda and the Rs are trying to change election law.

    It is purely down to Trump's stupidity and laziness that he didn't do any greater damage. He had racial unrest and a pandemic during his tenure. He could easily have enacted emergency legislation or state of emergency to seize power and he could have a crooked and rigged "Volksabstimmung" ala Hitler in 1934 that would have cemented his grip on power.

    But if you cradle your balls during "Executive Time" for 60% of your working day you can't take over the world. Thank God for that. Sadly he left a mentally decrepit army of his followers to deal with, we can just watch as they slide into obscurity.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,311 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Republicans - cancel culture is all democrats do...


    Also republicans..


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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,318 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Detritus70

    It is purely down to Trump's stupidity and laziness that he didn't do any greater damage. He had racial unrest and a pandemic during his tenure. He could easily have enacted emergency legislation or state of emergency to seize power and he could have a crooked and rigged "Volksabstimmung" ala Hitler in 1934 that would have cemented his grip on power.

    Trump's act was not a one man show. He had different people advising him throughout his presidency. Some of them would have even known about political procedures like enacting emergency legislation. My thinking on Trump and enacting emergency legislation in order to consolidate power is that if he could have, he would have, because he has little to no scruples. The system of checks and balances seemed to have held throughout Trump's term, though.

    The problem America faces now is not the prospect of Joe Biden's presidency ever being overturned. It's the 'Big Lie' being used to stack the deck on every level in the American political system.

    @Detritus70

    Sadly he left a mentally decrepit army of his followers to deal with, we can just watch as they slide into obscurity.

    I would question the mental state of many of his followers, but the idea that they slide into obscurity I don't agree with. This is exactly what happened when Obama got elected. He won the presidency and everyone went, "Well, that's the right-wing finished. Looks like America's moved on into a wonderful new age of diversity, harmony and prosperity". What actually happened was that the right-wing went back into the shadows and ended up giving birth to something terrible and scary and much more vociferous than the old neo-con mentality which now seems anodyne in retrospect. It's the same now. Trumpism has not gone away, and his supporters have not gone away. At best, the centre and left have just turned their attention to other things, while Trumpists get to whittle away in the dark on their various plans to subvert future elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Trumpists get to whittle away in the dark on their various plans to subvert future elections.


    There is literally no other reason for following Trump. They may pretend to engage or concern-troll, but every single argument from them has to be taken as disingenuous.

    And that is why I would never seriously debate with any Trumper and especially never one of those "I'm absolutely, totally *not* a Trump fan, but!" trolls. They are the worst.

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  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wait, he literally had an openly homophobic VP... He also had plenty of policies that targeted the LGBTQ community eg rolling back Obama era anti discrimination policies. I'm guessing you omitted transgender people intentionally since he literally banned them from the military.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    What happened truth social?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Last word was that Trump’s first Tweet Truth was the only one he’s bothered making and is said to be currently pissed that the platform is not doing better.

    Downloads of the iOS app (the only way to access the service) are apparently much lower than there were at launch and doing little better than GETTR.

    The site’s population includes a lot of right-wingers and accounts masquerading as major brands. (Possibly in an attempt to emulate a successful platform). The wait list to join is apparently very long, indicating that they may have failed to put in the server power nessisary to run a large online platform.

    Truth Social appears to be a failure and will probably close eventually, but since it’s the front for a Trump investment scam, maybe it will linger about for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I believe it was a failure from launch, iirc, the TLDR is they launched a social media platform, marketed it on being 100% censorship free, and then the internet immediately responded in kind by flooding it with pornography. Right away, they had to walk back their marketing. And for most of his supporters who won't accept any censorship etc. this was too much to handle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Kushner testified for 6 hours yesterday, that's a long time if you're only pleading the 5th... Be hilarious if he threw someone under the bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Probably not as easy to do when even Republicans on that panel can lead you into a question that is designed to still give them insights if you plead the 5th to it. Pleading the 5th incessantly in an illogical manner AFAIK (IANAL) is basically the legal equivalent of Failure To Appear, and can be grounds for Contempt charges, which, this House would certainly pass. Witnesses also have to be really careful (if they're lying) that they navigate the waters between, their 5th Amendment Rights, and claiming something is covered by Executive Privilege, as mixing those 2 up often enough leads investigators to believe you are criminally conspiring with POTUS.

    Peter Navarro for example is being charged with Contempt after asserting the subject matter was covered by Executive Privilege, and could not be declassified. The problem is, Navarro already told Fox/OAN viewers his whole sob story about the election, and about the Green Bay Sweep, etc. so, even if Trump's team had competently retained their executive privilege up to that point, Navarro threw that privilege out the window with the bath water when he went on national television. Navarro thought he could get away with just saying all that in public, not have to be subject to perjury for it, never have to back up his claims with receipts or anything.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    It wasn't just fox that Navarro told his green bay sweep to. He described to to Ari Melber on MSNBC



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