"Green" policies are destroying this country

Jinglejangle69 · 31-03-2022 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861662#Comment_118861662

Yes but I’m still allowed express my frustration and not vote for the Green Party who want to spend my taxes on upgrading peoples homes, something I can’t afford to do.

I certainly don’t have to sit back and just take say it is what it is and take it.

Democracy.

timmyntc · 31-03-2022 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861697#Comment_118861697

Its been tried for over a century to harvest power from waves, but has not been commercially viable yet at all.

The UK have done loads of trials and none have shown any real success, 2 decent ones in Scotland shut down when the companies running them went bust.

No harm funding research into it (not that we do any here..), but it cannot be relied upon in any way as an energy strategy as it may never prove viable

31-03-2022 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861743#Comment_118861743

Recommend you talk to one of the one-stop-shops to get a survey done of your property to see what is/is not needed. Its possible a HP would be needed, its also possible it would not, short answer is "it depends".

As with every element in the retrofit program, there are no requirements to DO x, y or z. You choose the parts of the program you wish to do based on the recommendations of what would be the best for your property e.g. if you don't have it, they would recommend putting in attic insulation but there is no requirement for you to actually do it

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861677#Comment_118861677

Yeah, I don't want to see us with nuclear.

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861616#Comment_118861616

It's on a roof which is not the ideal roof for performance, you will find solar field will be positioned exactly to get the ideal roof performance. I lose X% performance because of my roof pitch and also direction.

Also I am in a neighbourhood with tree's etc in the area. The sun in evening doesn't hit the panels due to the side of the house it is on. My preference would be more panels so as the sun moves over it catch's more panels but not allowed.

So taking that into account plus I doubt I have the most optimal panels as a home installation I would expect you will get a lot better performance from a solar farm. To be honest my performance is better than I thought.

I could never be arsed to work it out. For March as well. So much for "Solar only works 3 months a year"

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 04:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861657#Comment_118861657

You said

There are next to no viable spots around the coast for tidal, it takes very specific geological areas to harvest tidal power effectively.

This is incorrect, Ireland has the perfect conditions.

You see it is not viable because the easy option was to invest in fossil fuel. Now fossil fuel is dying off you will find it will become viable very soon.

Are you now saying methane is no good? because the experts again disagree with you.

You ask a question, someone answers and then you make up some BS to change the goalpost. It is a very very disingenuous way of posting.

timmyntc · 31-03-2022 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861820#Comment_118861820

Do you understand anything about tidal power generation? We do not have the viable sites for energy generation, nothing to do with the finances there. We simply do not have the geographical sites necessary for tidal.

But since you are so sure we have ideal conditions for it, can you name these sites and the projected power output for tidal?

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861832#Comment_118861832

Are you saying now you know more than the Marine Institute?

You see again changing the goal posts. You said Ireland was no good for wave/tidal. According to the expert it is. Now you can run off down a rabbit hole but I have no interest.

?Cee?view · 31-03-2022 04:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860489#Comment_118860489

But the Greens don't care about these people. They are not the demographic that support the Greens.

jolivmmx · 31-03-2022 04:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861874#Comment_118861874

True, true! But I have noticed my friends in the higher SEGs are also fed up with the Greens

https://www.thejournal.ie/retrofit-plan-5676114-Feb2022/

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861675#Comment_118861675

I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

You seem to be blaming the Green party for everything that is going wrong in everyone's lives. The Green party came into the government in 2020. Before that they had 2 TD's in the Dail and none before that.

So maybe you can explain to me how all the woes in everyone lives are because of the greens?

My point was clear, it doesn't matter what you earn you can be struggling. Fairly simple one. If you want to blame the Greens for that, fire ahead. Hate to tell you a minor party in government for 2 years is not the root of the problem

timmyntc · 31-03-2022 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861844#Comment_118861844

The Marine Institute do not design turbines to harness power from the waves or the tides. Its all well and good them stating that the waves on Atlantic coats have X amount of measured energy, but harnessing that is a totally different story. Wave and tides are non-viable sources of power for Ireland.

Do you think you know more than most of the energy investors all over the world? Because surely if tidal and wave power is so viable they would be on it, no?

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861940#Comment_118861940

Another goal post changed.

I don't think I know more than energy investors. Never said I did. I shared what the experts in Marine Institute and Bord Gais have shared. You seem to think you know more than both of them. Best of luck with that.

tom1ie · 31-03-2022 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861905#Comment_118861905

They were in power from 2007 to 2011.

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Akrasia · 31-03-2022 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859624#Comment_118859624

The govenment are paying 100% of the costs for retrofits for people are struggling the most (who also happen to own their own home and are in receipt of income support from the state)

Attic insulation
Wall insulation - including cavity wall, internal wall and external wall insulation
Draught-proofing
Lagging jackets
Energy efficient lighting
Energy advice

New central heating systems and replacement windows are also occasionally covered by the scheme.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/housing_grants_and_schemes/warmer_homes_scheme.html#lb4063

For people who are renting, the government will to be bringing in a Minimum BER rating for rental property by 2025 under the 'Housing for All' plan

tabby aspreme · 31-03-2022 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860265#Comment_118860265

It's ridiculous the worst case scenarios some half wits come up with, such as a few days ago, it was mentioned that the Russians might bomb an LNG terminal in Limerick, some idiot posted that on this thread

tabby aspreme · 31-03-2022 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860463#Comment_118860463

The only solid detail was the price of a lagging jacket

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 05:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862222#Comment_118862222

Not sure what you want?

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862209#Comment_118862209

😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862101#Comment_118862101

Yes and before that? do you want to go into the full history? in 2011 they introduced that all new builds had to be at a certain level. Something which is saving a lot of people now

They also introduced the new tax system which would be still in place only for dodgy car manufacturers

charlie14 · 31-03-2022 06:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861301#Comment_118861301

As pointed out here multiple times for Ireland wind is pretty much it as the data shows for electricity generation, it is unreliable and the reason we will need natural gas for many years to come.

If you could see the reality of that, then it would save more than me having to repeat it .

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 06:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862290#Comment_118862290

and as everyone has said to you if we need gas as a backup we already have a link. But I am sure you will ignore AGAIN

charlie14 · 31-03-2022 06:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861398#Comment_118861398

Why do you keep attempting to waste peoples time. Is it a game you get some enjoyment from ?

You clearly know what the Chairperson of CRU said on energy security, the Moffat pipelines, Brexit, LNG and E.U. none compliance if you managed to find the mention of a ship sinking and rupturing a pipeline. Par for the course you jumped in on the sinking ship and got it arse wise. Something you still haven`t corrected.

Who told you Ireland was not considering building a LNG terminal or that there was anything to stop the state building a LNG terminal. Was it the same person that told you that if we did build one we would have to hand it over to a 3rd party ?

If it was Eamon, I would not pay him much heed if I was you. Anyone whose answer to your dietary requirements is a window box, that chucking around at 35 kph makes economic fuel sense or that he is going to turn the countryside into a haven for wolves doesn`t sound like a very reliable source to me.

tom1ie · 31-03-2022 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862300#Comment_118862300

And as has been pointed out to you repeatedly we are depending on a non EU country with a history between ourselves and themselves, in the midst of a gas shortage for this supply.

I mean how many times do you have to hear this?

Banana Republic 1 · 31-03-2022 06:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118856995#Comment_118856995

Healy Raes would be up in arms.

charlie14 · 31-03-2022 06:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862300#Comment_118862300

and as everyone here and the regulator has pointed out, all identifying the same reasons, that link where energy security is concerned is the equivalent of crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

What is it with Irish greens, do the believe that they have a special dispensation from E.U. compliance?

They shout and yell about fines at even the suggestion of none compliance where it fits their agenda, but it is of no concern when the regulator points out that we are not in E.U compliance for energy security. Not only are we not presently in compliance, they are proposing a bill on LNG to ensure we would become even more-so.

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 06:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862373#Comment_118862373

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862483#Comment_118862483

Still waiting for the full statement from the regulator. I doubt I will get anytime soon

31-03-2022 07:00PM

Honestly I find curious how so many have latched on to the CRU comment on energy security as some sort of lightening bolt that gives credence to otherwise nonsense arguments. Ireland is non-compliant on a technicality i.e. Brexit. The non-compliance is due to the UK not being in the EU anymore, that's it.

So far the solutions offered have been

An LNG terminal which would be redundant by the time it would be built
LNG supplies from other non-EU countries which would not fix the non-compliance
Tapping a gas pocket off the Irish coast even though, looking at Corrib, it would be over a decade before gas would flow and it would only last a few short years and it would not supply 100% leaving us in a non-compliant state anyway

The lack of joined up thinking among some here would be concerning if it wasn't so obviously poor attempts at trolling by rehashing the same tired old arguments which lack any semblance of logic.

The simple fact is that regardless of what happens over the next decade, gas has hit its peak in Ireland and its trajectory is only going to go one way, downward.

Ireland is now on a sustainable path which will use renewables (wind, solar, hydro etc), various storage (pumped hydro, hydrogen, batteries etc) and interconnectors.

Gas has a role to play in getting us there but it's days are numbered. Regardless of how much some here hate this fact, it is reflected in govt policy documents and decisions and there is virtually no chance of us shifting from this trajectory. In fact we are likely to see the opposite, Ireland will increase the pace of the transition.

brokenangel · 31-03-2022 07:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862508#Comment_118862508

Over 2 weeks ago we had people asking about what happens when the wind doesn't blow. Two weeks later and the same posters are asking the exact same question.

charlie14 · 31-03-2022 07:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118862494#Comment_118862494

You have clearly shown with your incorrect jumping all over the sinking ship rupturing a Moffat pipeline that you know exactly what the regulator said, so why you believe I should play your silly little time wasting games for your amusement is the daftest of your posts to date. And that is saying something.

RandomViewer · 31-03-2022 07:05PM

Energy Regulator needs to hit energy companies who peddled 100% Green energy lies hard, Energia springs to mind

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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