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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I made the point before that there was exploration around the coast for years and very few of them where viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Non-stop comments rambling on about Kerry and the Healy Raes and god knows what is certainly no explanation for anything. And for the record, your comments todate on that subject are incorrect

    And yes its private company just like all the private companies taking advantage of being able to erect wind farms and sell that energy here.

    And no not all LNG is from fracked sources. Some is. Thats how it is. Wind turbines get built on bogs that destroy them and solar farms require the bulldozing of all trees and hedges over 100s of acres.

    And the fact we have no LNG terminal in Ireland thanks to the green party means we get fuqed over again when we need a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas.

    And Kerry is NOT the only place where LNG terminals are planned.

    Ireland is part of the EU and will be able to avail of any joint efforts between the EU and the US on natural gas

    I guess you didn't bother reading the article then which explains in simple words why Irelands needs a secure, stable and reliable supply of natural gas especially since the green have already fuqed over the country by banning all future natural gas exploration here.

    US President Joe Biden and European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said in a joint statement.

    We commit to intensifying our strategic energy cooperation for security of supply and will work together to make available reliable, and affordable energy supplies to citizens and businesses in the EU and its neighbourhood.”

    Or this?


    Industry figures predicted that Irish electricity prices will rise “40 to 50 per cent”, while gas customers could face a doubling in their bills as the volatility continued through the day.

    He believes that the volatility will continue until Europe increases imports of liquid natural gas (LNG), allowing it “to turn off the tap” on Russian supplies. “Then the price will drop back down,” he said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You linked the same article and pulled the same section out of it twice in a few posts 🤦‍♂️

    Did I say Kerry was the only place? I said it was the best place for the US company to build a base for easy access to Europe/US. So they can make bigger profit.

    I asked the questions, you couldn't answer and then accuse me of rambling :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    So what?

    Whitegate, Irelands only oil refinery, is not state owned either. There is no reason why an LNG terminal would need to be state owned infrastructure - we would not have the expertise to run and manage it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Viability is also effected by price - as gas prices rise fields that previously were unviable are now worth exploring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    It definitely looks like someone in this thread is being paid to post here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So can I extrapolate from your answer some are viable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,146 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    All the green nonsense coming back to hurt us now as it was always going to.

    A big reality check taking place right now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Are there viable gas fields in Irish waters at this moment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Thats a situation that gas and oil producers face all over the world - a risk you have to take (or not).

    Any decision to go ahead with extraction will take future projected prices into account anyways - viability is not based solely on a spot price.

    As for prices dropping, well plenty of producers in US were driven out of business during oil price wars with Saudis - it happens. But not going ahead at all might mean the price never drops. From a national strategic point of view, it makes far more sense to proceed with extraction and sure if prices fall, at least we still have relatively cheap supply of gas. The alternative is prices that only go up and our industry suffers massively as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The huge advantage we are been told of having the LNG plant here is that we will get it cheaper, at one stage a poster claimed that Ireland was going to head out onto the market buying and selling LNG. We would become the Del Boy of LNG.

    The point is a private company owning the LNG means we have zero benefits apart from a great big ugly plant that is using fracked gas. The company will sell the LNG to the highest bidder and screw Ireland.

    Apart from this argument I haven't seen anything from the pro LNG posters to say why we should build it here.

    Also as it is a US company it is a huge target for any foreign country which has a problem with the US. If you have a massive LNG plant supplying the US and Europe, what would you target if relations between us and Russia go more downhill? I would blow up the energy supply, wouldn't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No, the fields are not viable, they are only viable if they use fracking. Just google fracking and see what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    can you post a link to back this claim up please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Kermit.de.frog as you should well know it’s not easy to be green.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Yes because you clearly hadn't bothered reading either.

    Btw I've answered all your questions see previous comment.

    And just to summarise for the record your comment and your previous comments rambling on and on and on about kerry and only Kerry and god knows what are indeed incorrect.

    You're welcome



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The company will sell the LNG to the highest bidder and screw Ireland.

    How? How will they sell to the highest bidder? They do not extract gas, they just import it and convert LNG to pipeline gas for use in this country. They can only sell to Ireland.

    Again, look at whitegate. A private owned refinery, they do not sell abroad if someone would pay more than Ireland. Thats not how this works at all.

    While many of the negatives of fracking are highly disputed, there are more fields in/around this country that are accessible through other means. You clearly have an agenda to unequivocally state that only fracking can get any gas in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    But like you said presumably they would have done all that due diligence at the time of exploration and still there not viable. Shur it’s the current spot price that driving the discussion over LNG.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    This threads a bit of a farce with the chuckle brothers ignoring the facts and making up their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    The Corrib gas field is in active production. Don't know if there's any at the farmout stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The Irish government have banned all new gas and oil explorations... new spot prices may make it viable IF the government actually allowed issuance of new permits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I don't want to accuse any individual but I wake up and see another 10+ pages I really doubt they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

    You'd probably have to be a member of a political party for a certain number of years before they extend that privilege to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You really have a major problem with comprehension. I told you I was 8 years on this site, not that I was posting on this subject for 8 years, something that would be difficult as this thread is barely 6 months old.

    Perhaps if you did spend more time attempting to comprehend what has actually been posted you would not find yourself attempting to dig yourself out of so many hole.

    From your reply to Random Viewer your comprehension of time or reality is no better.

    You are again rambling on about some magical day when we will not only have made the leap to 100% renewable energy, but a mythical surplus to sell, when you haven`t a single practical idea on how we will get there without using fossil fuels due to renewables being so unreliable. Has it really not gotten through to you yet that until we have a reliable source of renewables then we will be burning fossil fuels for electricity generation, and with the marginal price model of the greens, electricity will be charged based of the price of whichever fossil fuel is being used in the mix. Regardless of the percentage of fossil fuel being used.

    It`s not as if it hasn`t been explained to you here many times already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭cal naughton


    I have been thinking the exact same.

    Dumping the same articles across this thread, roads and farming section's all things the greens hate yet they all deny being part of the greens,FIE or An Taisce.

    Which i understand is because they would be in breach of the those organisations social media policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The government banned it because fracking would be required. As mentioned many times on here they spent over 50 years searching, they know what is available in Ireland, if gas or oil was easy to extract in what is remaining they would already be doing it. Why wouldn’t they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If you only did even the slightest bit of research then you would save a lot of others time having to explain your misconceptions and sh!te you imagine.

    If we had our own LNG terminal, then similar to other countries we could buy our own LNG on the world market. Same as we do for all other fossil fuels, and unlike your belief the company seeking to build their own terminal in Kerry are not the world sole agents for LNG. Germany who are building two such terminals has commissioned its gas market trading hub to do just that to the tune of 1.5 billion euro.

    The Irish Green proposed bill has nothing to do with fracked LNG. It`s a proposed law to ban all LNG. Not just fracked gas. So again stop being disingenuous, this has been pointed out to you many times already. Even with a link to the proposed bill.

    Our own natural gas fields will be depleted by 2025 and you have seen nothing from posters as to why we should build our own LNG terminal. ?? You must be skipping over a lot of posts here that do not suit your agenda if that is true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The excuses for stopping the building of a LNG terminal get more bizarre with every iteration

    Now we shouldn't build anything here because the Russians just might blow it up!!!

    And yes the US supplying gas will help to keep down prices and provide security of gas supply right across Europe

    From previous

    "US President Joe Biden and European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said in a joint statement."


    “We commit to intensifying our strategic energy cooperation for security of supply and will work together to make available reliable, and affordable energy supplies to citizens and businesses in the EU and its neighbourhood.”

    If we don't build a LNG Terminal we most certainly will not get any benefits and Ireland will indeed be "screwed"



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