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Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    " How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? "

    ( That's in quotation marks so perhaps it's a quote )

    ABC 123



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    It was a conspiracy, exposed by official investigators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Thank you, I think that's the kind of case the OP might be interested in



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Doubt it, just boring corporate conspiracy. No global shadowy elite running the world from a hollowed out volcano lair with lizard people doing something unsavoury on the side as well.


    Although the Disney+ series Dopesick was actually pretty good, it's just a bunch of rich people trying to get richer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    BILDERBERG is well established of leaders and corporate CEOs and others are meeting behind closed doors to discuss the way forward. Agenda and discussions are never leaked to the public far as I know? There is in reality a super club for the rich and powerful in the west. Do they plot NWO stuff behind the doors perhaps not ( who knows though) but possibly discuss plans that benefit them than bring greater happiness to the ways of life of people. We saw during the bank crisis in 2008 way the global system works. The rich and famous always get paid and the taxpayers pay for their gambling crap. In Ireland employees still paying an extra tax for this mess, Plus a lot of the debt is still there on the books of countries that had to pay the bondholders. Pretty interesting how it’s all set up, the rich can be reckless and normal workers have to hand over more wages now to pay them back. That crisis is seldom mentioned nowadays. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Why is difficult to believe, there was an inside job? There was an actual plan here in operation by the CIA to keep the whereabouts of two alleged Pentagon plane attackers from becoming known. The CIA knew as early as 2000 that two members of Al Qaeda had arrived in Los Angeles. Both suspects were in attendance at this meeting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_al-Qaeda_Summit and they came to America and the CIA knew that and yet they strolled around for two years and taking flight lessons nothing happened? Yet according to all the report agencies in Europe was saying Al Qaeda was planning to attack America. Here there two alleged terrorists involved in the event never arrested? Doesn't make sense unless leaders in the CIA wanted this operation to go ahead. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    But you dont think the terrorists were involved. It was evil Nazis, remember? And 3 guys who rigged both towers to explode in one weekend.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And at least one of these Nazis was Larry Silverstein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    We'll be seeing the "pull it" video again shortly won't we?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    What do you think? Your stories make no sense, they change all the time and you can't back them up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Fact required to understand???

    This is the first time in all of human history a tall building with a steel frame collapsed due to fire!!!!

    And you don't find it suspicious occurred the first time here on 9/11???

    The official collapse study was shown to be unsound and incorporate horrible lapses of judgment. There are errors everywhere in the report and even lies ( make it worse to believe it)

    Why would anybody rational consider it collapsed due to fire?

    Left with one option, since the official study demonstrated to be fraudulent

    - WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition.

    • It only be shown in one instance to substantiate the case for conspiracy.

    What developed with the towers open for debate since planes hit them., far harder to figure out what occurred there inside architecture itself before the collapse.

    WTC7 is a smoking gun for demolition, no evidence supports the fire collapse version.

    Since I have then had an opinion it collapsed due to demolition. I speculate who had the systems and influence to carry out an operation like this and get away with it?

    Some rogue international group ( criminal type Nazi group) or an intelligence agency/ corporate group best guess. Open on it. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Whats the motive for this criminal type Nazi group?

    And how did they rig two of the biggest buildings ever made in the most densely populated place on earth with explosives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


     Richard Clarke on record about his memory of events when in office. He acknowledged there was a cover-up by the CIA prior to the attacks that took place on 9/11. There was disruption and human restriction placed around the flow of information about the 9/11 attackers. CIA kept all-important intelligence from the White House, FBI, and other agencies to fight terrorism.

    The official narrative people have is the terrorists of 9/11 were unknown and couldn't be caught in time. But that's well known to be lie, dig deep enough into it. Richard Clarke verifies had these two guys' profiles were flagged inside the CIA are early as 1998/1999 but the CIA was involved in a hidden operation to do something here and the exact nature of it is still unknown. What we do know is the CIA provided freedom and security for two of the Pentagon attackers, as 9/11 happened.

    Treason and the CIA is the true enemy of the United States.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    As usual you have it completely upside-down.

    Richard Clarke thinks the CIA were tracking some of the hijackers and kinda fucked up and lost some of them just before the attack. Not that 9/11 was an "inside job" or any of that nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @Dohnjoe - As usual you have it completely upside-down.


    I really don't understand why you continue to engage with @Cheerful S on several threads. You're simply beating your head against the proverbial brick wall and it's no good for your blood pressure.

    He's so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole - on every topic and subject under the sun - that it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he's got a file open on whether his birth was a conspiracy.

    You'll never feel a sense of achievement against these sorts because they're NEVER wrong, even when proven wrong, and they will argue the point remorselessly until you give up in sheer exasperation... which to them is then a victory of sorts.

    It's really kind of sad that he's got nothing better to do with his life than try to persistently force his isolated, one dimensional views on others. I guess Boards is his ideal platform because some of the things he's come out with would have earned him a punch in the mouth in a pub environment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Again fail to understand facts.

    Leave to one side the towers for now.

    WTC7 is the first time, a steel-framed tall building collapsed due to fire.

    One-of-a-kind event “never before witnessed” A new study, therefore, is changing the record about what was previously known regarding fires events and steel erected tall buildings.

    Understand this one of kind event is caused by fire and not demolition, they must show it convincingly.

    NIST did not perform due diligence and for me actually, in reality, their investigation was shown to be a cover-up of what took place. The eradication of construction in the local area where they believe the collapse began is overstepping what is an acceptable practice. This is a well-known procedure model for fire conditions around the real-time building ( end of the story). NIST on their own deciding to remove construction is evidence of dodgy engineering work. All evidence says WTC7 was prepared for demolition.

    When they did it, who is involved, reasons for it we can speculate. There no evidence this building collapsed due to fire. All evidence shows the opposite it was demolition. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Nah. No evidence sorry. It wasn't an inside job. 21 years later and the conspiraloons have failed miserably to show anything even approaching proof.

    Case closed.



    Although "Leave to one side the towers for now."

    Lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    He says it’s conceivable they were tracking the cells to recruit them. Evidence of this none.

    This is a scenario that makes sense to him because it is not in his mind there was an exact operation by the CIA to allow the event of 9/11 to take place. Everything he thought was good would fall apart!!!

    He says it is only a theory and still doesn’t know what occurred. Still confused why he wouldn’t be told that in briefings, So he bit lost about the entire event watch the video.

    Lost them scenario bullshit since Pentagon attackers used real names to travel and stay in hotels and all that weeks before 9/11. A real effort by the CIA would have captured them in days,

    The public worldwide has a right to know what the CIA was up to here, 21 years after 9/11 but nope they don't care.  



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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because it's important to challenge bullshit and misinformation.

    While a religious zealot like cheerful will never be convinced because it's become a central part of his personality at this point, others aren't as far gone.

    They will see that he's completely unhinged and they see when he's consistently dishonest and evasive. And though they are loathe to admit it, other conspiracy theorists start to see the same failings. And slowly, they start thinking for themselves again.


    Also, personally, I find that Dohnjoe's counters to Cheerful's and other bullshit artist's bullshit very informative and entertaining.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At this stage it's entered the pantheon of perpetual conspiracy theories like JFK and the Moon Landing Hoax. It is basically now just short hand for an insane belief that marks someone as delusional.

    In conspiracy circles, it's stopped being profitable because it's not as shocking and attention getting any more, so it's been pushed to the fringes in place of new conspiracy theories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    He doesn't think any of the buildings were blown up or that 9/11 was an inside job

    You are holding up someone who contradicts your beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'm a masochist ;)

    Also, I'm not really doing anything here but letting Cheerful show how weak their particular conspiracy arguments are for any other would-be readers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Case proved a long time ago. Unfortunately, the mainstream media does not want to touch it too sensitive a subject for them. The UFO topic was too hot handle one time it took the US government to be transparent for the world to wake up to this reality. Be doubtful of transparency about 9/11 and JFK but we see still around to find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,675 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You find out, there reliable information CIA was concealing intelligence about the 9/11 terrorists for years from everyone and don't regard that as evidence of malicious intent.

    Whyy are debunkers not interested in the back scene stuff? Should we not have a clearer picture of what went on before 9/11?

    I think it is suspicious the CIA was aware of Al Qaeda operatives entering the United States years before 9/11 and supposedly don't have the whereabouts to put stop to the plan to take planes on 9/11?. Have to be some dumb idiot to think these guys were not watched around the clock and all their movements recorded. Al Qaeda had blown up US Embassies in Africa and attacked a US warship in Yemen. A lot here doesn't make sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Case proved lol. Go on then, enlighten us.

    At what point after repeating the same nonsense for years do you run out of stamina and realise you're wrong? Everyone else has access to the same info you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭oisinog


    You do realise that the CIA does not have any law enforcment function and limited ability to gather intelligence in the US, If they were aware that there was terrorists in America they have to hand that information to the FBI to investigate if any laws have been broken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    That's the point Richard Clarke making in the video I posted.

    CIA tracks foreign terrorists

    In 2000 the CIA requested the Malaysian government videotape record a high-level Al Qaeda meeting, supposedly discussing planning for 9/11 and other attacks.. Even back there had actionable intelligence (CIA)

    It is known today that Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi are at that meeting. Two men said to have boarded and hijacked flight 77 and hit the Pentagon

    CIA has the intelligence. So both men came arrived to the United States, got flagged at the CIA terrorism watchlist desk. Their arrival was kept from the FBI, local police branches, and the White House?

    Have an active risk to the nation in motion here when entering the country.. Narrative among many is the 9/11 attackers are watched by nobody a lie there closely followed by the CIA until they allegedly lost them weeks before 9/11 ( that only a report said after the attacks took place) That's an issue since the guys are using their legitimate names. How many Saudis would have the same names inside America? Who did the CIA tell in law enforcement? Did you see their faces on tv before 9/11? Knew attacks are coming, why no massive manhunt that never materialized. 



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