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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking me. Could you rephrase that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    Just saw this. Our situation is complicated but we did have some help from a parent with our deposit. It wasn’t a huge amount but it allowed us to buy ~1-2 years sooner. I know we’re fortunate and that not everybody has that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Found this great video on reddit from 2007. It's the RTE program discussing the housing bubble before it burst. Very interesting. Only about 10 minutes in but it's kind of unnerving to hear some of the things said just in the first 10 minutes of the video that are similar to today and who knows, could be similar to things we hear in the next couple of years

    "people have become accustomed to big rises, 12%, 15%, 17% a year"

    "we have a period where prices stagnate and rents and wages rise and that corrects any excesses that may have been in the market, it's hard to see house prices dropping and very hard to see significant drops"

    "I don't see house prices dropping due to fundamentals of the economy and affordability"

    "when you get a strong economy like we've had and low interest rates, that's a deadly combination"

    "I've been speaking to brokers and it's very hard to get anything near work or near schools"

    I have to agree with the comment about sentiment. It's not sensical for house prices to rise 10%+ right now. It's being driven by sentiment. Ah sure, prices are only going up, might as well buy now. But as they say, when sentiment changes, things change quickly. Just have a look at Facebook stock. A year ago they were the kings of the internet, they print cash, they're going nowhere. Now? It's all bad news. "Their growth has slowed", "advertising changes are going to hit them hard", "this metaverse, I don't think it's gonna work". In the last 6 months the stock has dropped 50%. In the last 6 weeks it's dropped 42%.

    Sentiment can indeed change quickly. A shock to the economy here. Then the 20k immigrants a year who arrive to the country start to think twice etc. I can tell you that, even though people might say they'd buy on the way down, once it happens, they'd be second guessing themselves. If you say 2% decreases a month for 3 months, then you'd be questioning just how long that streak could go on and you hold off. Then it becomes self fulfilling and the prices drop.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    From your post ---


    Furthermore, aside from the financial implications, entire generations have grown up expecting that the state will provide them with everything and solve all of their problems.

    ----

    You're clearly not living in the same Ireland that I am. I believe you may have been reading the daily mail too much 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Thats a dangerous clause.

    I read it as we will be allowed to take your house off you if we feel like it, even if you bought it.

    Im sure it can be read many ways, which is an even worse problem with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    Looks like food prices (on top of electricity, heating, fuel etc) are about to soar, nose bleed celtic tiger house prices here are unsustainable as west faces serious recession looming...


    'The supply gap from the war could push global food and feed prices as much as 22% above their already elevated prices, the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation said late last week.

    The European Union, for instance, sources 40-60% of its feed grain for animals from Ukraine. The US would be a potential supplier but the EU restricts genetically modified crops, making Brazil the only major alternative source, Vogel said. "(Gaurdian)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    A friend of mine has had awful problems with tenants that the council put in their property on the LTL scheme.

    These one set of tenants have literally terrorized the neighbors around them. The owner of the apartment next door was on to the gardai, the management company. Threatening to sue my friend. My friend tried to get the council to do something put they wouldnt. All the did was send emails saying we are aware of the situation ... GDPR ... fcuk off.

    So the next door neighbor put their property up for sale a few weeks ago. The council are buying it. The neighbor on the other side has just put theirs up for sale. I bet the council swoops in there and buys it too.

    Eventually my friend will get theirs back after the LTL is up and two neighbors from hell will be living wither side of them forcing them to sell at a loss because people wont be able to live there. Council will probably buy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It really is a fantastic little country- let's hope the corporation tax lasts forever to enable this rubbish! Mcsean will be on to tell you u've been reading too much of the daily mail though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Bargain_Hound


    What a bloody nightmare. Council bought the new build house next to us (and the 2 attached to that house). We ended up selling after 9 months. Just said no way are we spending a life time living with this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    China lockdown, oil prices through the roof, haulage business closing down with spiraling input costs but guess what our chief policy makers at the ECB say we have a supply chain issues that will be resolved by the end of 2022. These guys know exactly what's coming there only hiding the facts and reality from people and the markets as they don't want to cause more instability. The chickens always come home to roost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    The Chinese property bubble has popped and will collapse over a few years.

    One possible upside for the west is found in the commodities hoovered up by the Chinese property sector which could offset inflation in building materials for the West;

    20% of global steel.

    20% of global copper.

    9% of global aluminum.

    5% of global zinc.

    8% of global nickel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Euro swap rates have gone on a little bit of a tear the past few days. 5 year EUR swap rate at 0.75% which hasn't been seen since 2014. Likely to have been a driver behind ICS' rate increase today (seems to mainly impact their lower LTV offerings).

    20 year fixed rates still available at 2.5% to 2.75% with Avant. Could these be the new "tracker mortgages" in five years time at low interest rates?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I believe so, notwithstanding that our mortgage rates are twice as high as the EU average (which might make one think that this would somehow insulate us from climbing even further above EU average). Low for long!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭The Student


    The majority of people in social areas are good law abiding citizens. it is just the handful that destroy areas and the lives of good people. Unless we deal with these issues we will end up with all areas negatively impacted to various degrees as a result of the State wishing to "spread the issues" around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭The Student


    Don't worry Sinn Fein are coming and they will sort everything out (I am not political at all) 😁.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    True.

    As I have said beofre here. I grew up in a council estate. 99% of the residents were the nicest people you would ever meet. One or 2 families destryed the place and turned it into a sh1thole. Leading to many of my friends picking up drug addictions and some of them dying or ending up in jail.

    All could be traced back to 2 scumbag families in the whole estate. The rot just took the children of the goods people over a period of about 10 or 12 years. Since I left it has got even worse, but I live far away from there now. I meet some friends from my youth who still live there occasionally and the place is often in the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The amount of people I know under 40 who expect sinn Fein to sort housing when they get in in the next election is scary.

    My sister in law is banking on them sorting it out for her (with a little help from her fortune teller!!)

    I just nod in agreement with her- it's less hassle!

    Talking to an estate agent at the weekend and a lot of builders are winding down new houses - the numbers aren't stacking up at the minute. I wouldn't have him down as a waffler. He was complaining as he can sell new builds like hot cakes at the mo, but second hands are very slow to shift he said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    It would seem councils are abiding by the recent advice from the DOH not to purchase second hand homes


    Mother and son face loss of home as council rejects landlord’s sale offer


    The council would not comment on an individual’s case. A spokeswoman confirmed however, that “in line” with “guidance” from the Department of Housing, the council was no longer purchasing two-bedroom properties. The new policy is designed “to avoid undue impact on the private housing market, including avoiding competition with first-time buyers” or other family purchases.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭jo187


    I don't expect SF to sort the housing crisis especially in a limited time frame, like two years.

    But if SF do two things they said they would like rent freeze and tax relief for renters it would be help and a start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭enricoh


    There was a headline in the local freebie paper last month that there wasn't a single property available to rent in Drogheda the week before. Anymore anti landlord legislation and there'll be no rents left to freeze! I'm not a landlord but 5-10 years ago would have thought about getting one for my pension. I wouldn't touch one with a bargepole now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Where does that end then. I mean there are genuine cases for people to receive tax relief for spend on things like creches to other costs involved in actually going to work???? Cant see how they can do this while also asking to cover HAP and FTB grants..Its just way too much its already too much to ask the tax payer people will vote with their feet and just leave the country. I feel sorry for anyone renting but to ask me to cover my mortgage in after tax money and then ask to bend over and take another slice out of my wage to cover someone elses rent is just complete lunacy. We cant afford the numbers on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭jo187


    That's fair enough. As discussed here most small LL are out of the game due to the legal complexity of being one, not being able to compete with the big boys and the profit they can make selling their property now.

    Clearly a rent freeze is need as the price of anything is going through the roof and more people just caught in a the rent trap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭jo187


    So you agree we need proper rent control?

    Do away with HAP etc? It make no sense as a society to have two adults working but can't afford rent on a basic property let alone save for a house without needing help from the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭fliball123


    I would always of been in favor of getting rid of HAP and let everyone stand on their own two feet. The issue with doing this is the lefties in this country and in particular the media will spin this and no government official will be caught dead with that kind of head line. I think rent should be let find its own price point. It makes no sense to ask an already over burdened tax payer to pay more. We are surely at the point of diminishing returns with our taxes in this country. The next few years will bear this out when the sinners get in and think the tax payer is the magic money tree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I would be the same as you.

    Cant think of a more risky, or a more painful investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Those pesky workers, looking for higher wages, how dare they. While increasing values of properties is often described as "growth" in the market, when the wages of those who build the properties go up it is seen as "hampering" the market. Another example of how dysfunctional the whole thing is; wage increases being portrayed as a bad thing. It just shows how far the pendulum has swung to one side.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭J_1980


    These pesky construction workers should just take a pay cut, pay 50% tax so Jacinta an little Jayden can get their free forever home…


    somehow I hope there will be a recession and another troika bailout or rebellion by the frugal EU countries. This nonsense has to end. The entire political left needs to be wiped out for a generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭fliball123


    How though, not one politician would dare be seen to call this as the tail wagging the dog. I understand people been given a hand up when they need it, but we are actually allowing people who are not contributing anything in real tax terms call the shots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    second hands are over priced so especially when factoring in an extra 50 odd grand to do them up or get them to minimum ber standard before new green taxes kick in



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