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Getting new car

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  • 02-03-2022 10:55pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭


    I must get a new car this year. My old 2006 VW Passat is on its last legs.

    Just wondering if I could get advice. I have NO idea what to get. My VW is top of the range, so I would not like to get anything below 1.9 diesel or equivalent... I have saved money for a new car so thats not an issue.

    I started looking at new diesels, but I see that cars changed a LOT in these 20 years, so I am not sure should I get a diesel or a hybrid petrol, or electric... I really like diesels but I normally keep cars for ages and I am not sure we'll be having diesels on the road for much longer?

    So, I was looking at whats there. I like the Prius but never tried it, so I phoned a few Toyota garages near me and none of them have one just now. But would I really be happy with a Prius? It does not seem to have as many technical stuff as new VW... I am not sure... My partner would like to get a Diesel Golf... I am not sure, I really have no idea...

    Could you give suggestions of the best cars for sale now? New or used. I don't really mind.

    Thanks,

    RD



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    What's your budget?

    What type of driving do you so?

    Do you need big saloon or would smaller hatchback do?

    If you liked the passat and want something similar from the vw group I'd be advising to look at Skoda superb, another passat, audi a4 or a6.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother



    My max budget would be 40K - perhaps a bit more, but I have been looking at cheaper cars that I like too.

    Well, my life's changed. I used to drive a lot when I was working in recruitment but then I gave up that job and now I mostly work from home, so I don't think Ill need to be doing a lot of driving anymore...

    I love the saloons but my partner would prefer a hatchback. At this stage of my life, I don't really mind as long as it's a good car. But I do not like those cars below 1.0 or petrol - I would at least need 1.8 to 2.0

    Thanks for advising the superb and the Audis. I already checked the a3 and a4 and liked both, especially the a4 because its got more stuff.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,153 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Unfortunately new cars have gotten very expensive these days so 40k doesn't go as far as it did a few years ago. If your working from home then I think it's best to give a modern diesel a wide berth. Diesel engines are more complicated these days than your 1.9 TDi and have the likes of a diesel particulate filter and AdBlue to make them cleaner. However if they are not driven as intended then these systems can develop problems and are costly to fix.

    You could go with petrol or even a hybrid. If you have the ability to install a charger at home then you can include a plug in hybrid or even full EV. There is even a grant of €600 towards the installation of the home charger from the Government and 5k off the price of a brand new EV upto the value of 50k. Downside is that brand new cars are in very short supply due to the microchip shortage so actually finding a brand new car in stock is very challenging.

    If you are interested in something used and want something now rather than waiting months or longer for a brand new car then you have a few more options out there:

    VW Arteon:

    https://www.carsireland.ie/3014116

    The Arteon is basically a current model Passat but in a fancier dress, mechanically they are the same. It's a fastback rather than a saloon so more practical. 1.5 litre engine looks too small on paper but it's turbo charged with 150bhp and has more power than your current 1.9 TDi. Not the fastest car but certainly well able to handle overtaking. They are better equipped than an A4 and a bit less common.


    If you want something a bit newer then you have the likes of the Toyota Camry:

    https://www.carsireland.ie/3032237

    A bit dull but a very comfortable car to be wafting around in, it's a self charging hybrid so need for a home charger. Even though they have a 2.5 litre engine they are quite frugal and probably as reliable as you can get these days and backed up by a Toyota warranty.


    If these cars are too big for you then you could look at the likes of a well speced petrol VW Golf or self charging hybrid Toyota Corolla hatchback like these:

    https://www.carsireland.ie/2986583

    https://www.carsireland.ie/2936451


    If you want to go full electric then VW have the ID.3 which is similar in size to the Golf:

    https://www.carsireland.ie/3014618



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    Thanks for your suggestions Bazz. I’ll discuss this tomorrow with my partner. We were thinking of a brand new car because all our lives we had used cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    BTW, if I order a brand new car, how long do you think I'll be waiting for it? My sister in law told me she was waiting 4 months for her VW...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 51,153 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Long waiting times for most brands especially the European ones. 4 months for a VW would probably be very optimistic now, some dealers won't even encourage ordering certain models as there is no delivery eta. Korean and Japanese brands are probably your best bet. It's only going to get worse now I fear as Russia is one of the largest suppliers of aluminium to car makers so that's stopped now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 791 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Leave off the prius. If it is any more than 4 or 5 years old the battery will be profoundly degraded and you will be driving on the engine 95% of the time. Might as well buy a regular petrol car at that rate.

    Similarly, if you are buying eclectic, you have to buy new as anything more than a couple of years old will either have an older tech lower capacity batter, or the battery will be degraded and won't hold charge, or both. If you are buying new budget for replacing the car in 5 or 6 years time with the car at scrap value as the battery will be degraded at that point and despite what they say, the reality it is not economic or practical to replace batteries. The way to look at it is this, electric cars are far far cheaper to run but the savings are offset by tremendous depreciation owing to a) battery degradation and b) technology rapidly improving meaning car with hi tech battery today is obsolete in 4 or 5 years and almost valueless.

    I know of a local authority who had to return their fleet of electric car/vans to hyundai because at barely a year old, the range was falling very far short of what they were supposed to be capable of. I think if buying electric, you should take the real world range as 2/3rds of the advertised range, and then reduce by a further 10% per year old.

    One thing is for sure, you never hear people saying the car went further than the advertised range! It is always shortfalls.

    Electric cars are more or less a disposable/expendable item now. When they break or degrade, it is a case of replacement rather than repair or refurb. Some electric cars, like Tesla, are in practical terms largely non-serviceable. Tesla support is geared toward warranty repair by god like authorised dealers. Tesla won't sell parts or service information to third parties and there are no spurious parts available. Tesla don't care anyway because their market is the luxury sector targeting high earners. A car being written off for want of an unavailable part after the warranty period is over isn't a concern for them or a wealthy owner - they just buy again.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭pjdarcy


    If you're working from home I assume you're not doing much mileage so opting to move to fully electric could be worth considering (especially with the cost of diesel these days).

    The Kia e-niro is worth a look (very happy with mine) as is the VW ID.4. If you want to go hybrid, I'm told that the Volvo hybrid range is worth a look (haven't driven one myself though)



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    I love the Honda e but I’d be afraid because of the battery. I think one charge only lasts 180km… if I needed to go to Dublin, that’s nearly 400km so I’d need to charge it a few times and then according to the specialists the battery shouldn’t live for longer than 8 years?

    VW advised my sister in law not to get electric because they’re giving trouble. Now, since this is Irish sellers, we know that they will try to sell what suits them more than tell the truth, so one never knows what’s best. I find it very hard to meet honest dealers in ireland, that’s why I started this forum.

    im in love with the Honda e but afraid it won’t last…



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Would look at a new petrol Seat Leon



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  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭pjdarcy


    Yeah the Honda e only has a 35kWh battery so it's really not a suitable choice for long drives. Looks cool though



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,959 ✭✭✭User1998


    What specialist is telling you the battery won’t last 8 years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭oinkely


    Wowsers, I would take 99% of that advice with a giant pinch of salt.

    The prius bit might be accurate in some cases but the rest is pure rubbish.

    An EV is not a disposable vehicle and useless after 8 years. There's hundreds of 8 year old EVs in daily use around the country, and 2 on my driveway, saving me a fortune in daily running costs. I've a tiny by today's standards Citroen Czero with an 18 kw/hr battery and it's still good for a 60km round trip commute and some short local journeys also (and more in summer as the heater is very power hungry). That's pretty much what it was capable of when it was new in 2012. Our Leaf is a 24kw one from 2013 and most recent battery check gives 84% state of health. These are small battery vehicles with many many charge cycles completed and still in perfectly usable condition vs when they were new.

    A newer EV with a bigger battery will have far less charges cycles in the same time frame so I would speculate that battery degradation will be negligible on most in 8 or 10 years time.

    Add in the reduced running costs, far superior drive, quietness and power and a newer BEV with a larger battery is a way better option for most people over a diesel. There is the issue of getting your hands on one though, but that may be the same with pretty much any new car these days.

    I would take what any dealer says under advice too - they will want to sell what they can get their hands on quickly.

    The local authority that i work for has a fleet of electric vehicles and is delighted with the reduced running costs vs the earlier petrol and diesel fleet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    Don't get distracted by engine sizes. Modern engines are smaller turbo charged units that deliver a range if power. For someone who drives very little is it a key priority?


    You need to identify what features and style of car you want.then see if that matches a power source like petrol or elec.


    If it's a big saloon then a superb or another passatt may do but by the sounds of it any car do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    I have a Honda e, can unfortunately confirm that it probably wouldn't work for you, 180kms is about right in the current weather.

    It's brilliant but the only things that make it work for me are rarely having to leave the greater Dublin area, and the XC60 parked beside it.

    Whatever you do, don't test drive one or you'll find yourself doing all sorts of man-maths to try and make it work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    do you mean it takes 18 months for a buyer to get the car?!?



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    Thanks to all for your advice. I do love the Honda e - never seen a car like it, but if I am not able to drive it to Dublin once a month, then it's no good to me because I never know what life has in store for me and I might be working for a Dublin employer again... This would apply to all electric cars. So, I am thinking of a hybrid or a diesel. Thank you for helping me decide. Hopefully I can find a nice looking car thats got a lot of technology. I don't mind about the size anymore (saloon, hatch, etc).

    I could go for a Golf but I don't like the materials in the Golf. I know it's a good car, but since I am buying a brand new car I would like something that I am happy with for a long time. I like the Honda Civic but I wonder would I be better off with a better car? I hear Mazdas have better material inside... And then there's the Toyota Prius...



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    I must have heard that on one of the YouTube Channels. Glad to know it's not true.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother




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  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    I’m just wondering now with Russia stopping to send us oil for God knows how long, should I not just consider a fully electric car because petrol and diesel may become a thing of the past quicker than we thought…



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,153 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    We get most of our oil from the UK, not Russia.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    You should visit the EV forum for some realistic reviews and real experiences of electric cars if you are seriously considering one. We are a 2 EV household, one Kona, one 28kw Ioniq. Regularly drive Sligo-Dublin in both and would have to charge once on the way with the Ioniq but we're used to that now and factor it into our journey. Kona doesn't need to stop if charged enough, has a range of 400kms or thereabouts.




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Hyundai Ionic 5 or Kia E-Soul are both good cars. Both very cool and both in your budget and both have good range too.

    Citroen C4-E if you want something comfortable and more kinda normal. It's a hatchback.

    Skoda Octavia not sure if it comes in electric but it's a very stylish,classy car.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭AFOL


    I would say you are probably looking at up to a year wait for a lot of models now. Some dealers are not even taking orders again until 2023.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother


    Yes, there’s an electric Skoda Octavia. I am actually considering it at the mo. Thanks for your suggestions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,153 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    There is no fully electric Octavia. There is a plug in hybrid model which will give an electric range of about 40km from a small motor and battery but it still has a 1.4 litre petrol engine under the hood.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    Skoda are phasing out all their phev models and they will be obsolete soon. VW have just announced same. They were designed to get around regulations but keep the profitable combustion engine.


    Just something to be aware of before you drop a lot of money on one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭whydoibother



    what type of car is worth buying now then? Full Hybrid or full electric?



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