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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    we the tax payer maybe? it'll come from the public purse obviously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It’s actually the opposite, the cost of fossil fuel means that sustainable projects now have a better business case than ever and of course will also reduce CO2 for the Paris agreement


    You also said on another thread that public transport is pointless to invest in from recollection, so hardly surprising the attitude on this


    The EU along with money from ireland will help rebuild Ukraine, now ireland needs to make ourselves self sufficient, finally we will hopefully see some large scale projects



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    So increase taxes or cut services for the Irish is the solution then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah we'd probably need to do both to accommodate the up to 100k refugees we may be taking in, our already stretched public services will be further stretched. That's war for you, people are displaced and need to be looked after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Look after is one thing, providing then with more than you provide your own citizens is another imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    who said they're getting any more than Irish citizens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I mean the government are on about building modular homes for them but wouldn't do anything for the housing crisis here then. All seem to be getting free medical cards too and priority for health services. Hard enough to get heath care here for some people due to overloaded GPs and hospital systems and then bring pushed further down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    How are they getting priority for health services?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    This was Donnelly today.


    We will do everything that needs to be done. We could be talking about a large number of people, we could be talking about tens of thousands of people. Does it create an additional effort of pressure on the system? Of course, of course it does. I’m very conscious that some people find it it hard to get access to a GP at the moment and that those coming in must have health assessments. We must make sure they have access to primary care, community care, hospital care. They will all have medical cards. Some people are going to come in, they’re going to need hospital care very quickly, some are going to need treatment for underlying conditions, chronic diseases very quickly. Some people are going to need mental health supports very quickly.


    Saying they'll need mental health support and treatment for underlying conditions very quickly sounds like it tbh. It can take about a year if you're lucky go get mental health support on the public scheme (and this was years ago when I joined it) so when someone says very quickly on anything in the HSE, that means they're getting priority. We've ridiculous waiting lists as is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Maybe youve enough to get by but a lot of people don't. I'm pretty much writing off ever owning a home anytime soon the way things are going so I don't like when my taxes are going on things that I can't even provide for myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    If I were you I'd look on the bright humanitarian side of things instead of trying to find reasons to be annoyed that people are being helped. As the minister says, it will further stress our services but you can blame that on Russia and not these poor people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    We could just not take as much. Got to protect ourselves over others imo, and when you can't adequately provide for a lot of your own people, you don't spread your resources thinner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What vulgar language? Lol! BS? butterscotch?

    Look your preaching to the converted as I have already said, however we are a good bit away from having enough wind turbines and indeed solar to have more than 100% of the peak demand of the grid services via renewables.

    (the excess going to some sort of storage).

    My “what if” scenario is real.

    IF we had no gas backup and the wind stops blowing what would produce the electricity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I suspect the numbers being discussed will not happen anyway. I can’t see the government being capable of organising such a task in a short period of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    We get some of the boys on here and anyone with same train of thought preaching crap about no need for intermediate power sources.

    Put them in a giant hamster wheels and tell them run or they'll be shot to power our turbines. Problem solved. Say we would have enough egits to get a couple of megawatts at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you spread your resources thinner when other Europeans are being shelled by an invading force so you can help them, count yourself lucky you live here even with further stretched resources you'll still be far better off than most of the planet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I sympathize with them, and I recognise to some extent it's selfish, but I'd rather be able to support myself adequately and the people I care about rather than helping someone else. It's grand giving when you have it to give but I get feck all off the government nowadays and my taxes pay for everyone else. When I can't house myself, I'm not really too interested in helping house someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ok well thankfully those in power are extending a more charitable hand so we'll see what happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    But we don't have no gas

    If we didn't then we can use solar and buy electricity from the UK nuclear grid which we are connected to



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ccs works well up to a point and its getting better all the time.

    CCS is the only thing that will keep natural gas power stations in operation post-2050 otherwise they'll be priced out of the market by carbon taxes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Did you read the post before the rant? Go back read the post which doesn’t say we would have totally replaced but we wouldn’t be as tied to it


    Green idealogy not building? You getting mixed up with Sinn Fein who want everyone on the street instead of building houses?

    anyway, next time remember “read before rant”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭riddles


    The bucket view of climate change is what annoys most people. The EU is perfect at that and we have caught up here.

    stopping peat harvesting and and peat burning together with briquettes but yet import peat and its by products FROM OTHER EU COUNTRIES! Pippa Hackett green td says in response “we can’t stop the import of products from other EU countries!”

    Promote pellet stoves and wood burning in general even though they emit very harmful air pollution particles.

    reduce sources of carbon like coal but give Russia 700 million a day in gas payments even though Russian gas production has a massive emission of methane in its production which is way more damaging to the environment. We now see how the money has been used.

    get rid of a perfectly good combustion car to drive an electric which will take you eight years of driving to negate the carbon footprint of the car production. Instead of understanding how transport for the future should look we try to recreate the massively damaged single person journey model just using electric cars. Look up nickel mining ground water damage in Indonesia.

    allow data centres to increase like mushrooms knowing we have a short term challenging power production landscape.one data centre can use the same power as kilkenny and we domestic users subsidise their power consumption cost - don’t recall being consulted on this. Data centres use 13% of the total soon to get up to 30%

    not understanding the current limitations in our existing national grid and instead strategically use wind in conjunction with hydroelectric solutions. Until we figure out how to store excess wind capacity or have smart interconnectors. Smart metering still limits private supply to the grid at 30% of their produced electricity- why? Looking after vested interests.

    the EU signs a beef supply deal with Brazil which encourages more deforestation even though Brazil has none of the traceability standards mandatory for EU farmers. Deal is done largely to sell German luxury cars and health care equipment in return.

    all of this means we are likely to see zero carbon reduction in Ireland in 2022 even though most people are probably still curtailing a lot of the previous standard carbon based travel.

    we import huge mountains of plastic goods from China knowing they have fake supporting manufacturing certification required by EPA regulations and with fake safety standards.

    China in turn poured more concrete in four year between 2010-2020 than the US did in the whole 20th century. We in turn see US and Eu factory space lying idle with millions of jobs lost. Outcome massive growing pollution from China and geo political sabre rattling combined with masses of human rights abuses.

    the list is probably endless but this is why people who want to see real action on climate change which requires a global circular view get annoyed green policies which in terms of impact are largely virtue signalling vanity stuff.

    Mountebanks like Duncan Stewart and Eamon Ryan should be cancelled.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    With the price of fuel going crazy, surely even the anti anything Green brigade realise we need to reduce our dependence on cars? We should be enabling ways of people getting to work and school by other means as much as we can. I know this isn't possible for rural Ireland but it should certainly be encouraged in urban areas. I haven't seen anyone from the government suggesting we try to use less fuel at all, or a suggestion we turn the heating down a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    We've no good public transport options though. If it's not built, people won't use it and when the choice is a journey on public transport that takes 3/4 time as long or using a car, car will win out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    If you can't be comfortable in your own home what's the point in living?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭PommieBast




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