Galway traffic

CowboyTed · 02-03-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713259#Comment_118713259

With the backlash to cycling and the Prom I wouldn't be surprised if there is objections to this just out of that...

A lot of people in Salthill were very p*ssed off about what happened there and they mainly blame the cyclist lobbyists... There is a view that objections might be put in on cycling infrastructure as a reprisal..

I said this at the time... The whole Prom Idea of taking Park & Walk for Cyclists was a very bad idea... There are far more Park and Walk enthusiasts than Cyclists... And no amount of build it and they will come crap was going to work on them... It like an aggressive grab and cycling had an opportunity to say they didn't agree with the approach but the double downed on the idea...

CowboyTed · 02-03-2022 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719490#Comment_118719490

Not being anti LBGTQ, but do we really need this? Maybe where it suits the surrounding (outside a school or something) but it is a bit much if over used..

what_traffic · 02-03-2022 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720085#Comment_118720085

Be great if it was for additional NEW crossings, if Council did this for the next decade. Could then at least have a visual of how many have been installed.

Its NOT in this case, will just apply to the existing BEG button crossing that provides access the riverside walkway.

what_traffic · 02-03-2022 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720061#Comment_118720061

You will hardly have time though? Presume you are hard at work getting Dr Mannix Road and Kingston Road cycleway installed. Sure ya had half the plans sketched out and ready to roll they way ya were talking earlier in the thread? How is the progress on that?

CowboyTed · 02-03-2022 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720850#Comment_118720850

I am not one to object on that Greenway but I was saying there is a lot of people upset about what happened and it painted a picture for them....

I said it at the time that this wasn't the Waterloo to die on.... Councillors went from 17-1 in favour to voting 14-3 against, that is a lot of friends lost...

It was overreaching and it was failure. There was appeasement but at the moment politically, cycling lanes that increase traffic and disrupt lives are political no go...

serfboard · 02-03-2022 06:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721266#Comment_118721266

The disrupting lives phrase is interesting. BusConnects is going to disrupt (car drivers) lives hugely, particularly the Cross-City link, with its closing of the Salmon Weir bridge, Francis/Eglinton St, Eyre Square (most of) and College Road (Bus Gate) to car traffic.

Nothing's going to happen for another few years of course, but I cannot see politicians being in favour of it, once people realise the full implications of it for car traffic.

And in anticipation of a response that councillors have already voted in favour of it, I'll remind people that councillors also originally voted in favour of the Prom cycle lane ...

02-03-2022 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721408#Comment_118721408

There's an important difference to note between bus connects and the salthill bike lane.

The bike lane was an off-the-cuff project that the CEO never wanted, didn't design well and organized a consultation that was engineered to cause division.

Bus Connects Galway is being driven at a national level and has multiple govt depts involved and is a 200 million eur project that will go through the full planning process (Cross city link is due for a decision from ABP this month, Dublin Rd is due to go to ABP in the next few months).

You should think of Bus Connects along the same lines as the removal of the N6 RAB's. The councillors get their say pre-planning and during consultations, but once planning is approved, thats it, its done and it gets implemented. Sure they may make modifications post-completion based on reviews of performance/impact, but once its signed off thats it.

As you mentioned, the council have signed off on it and its now in planning so there's nothing else for them to do as far in terms of progression as I am aware

Of course that doesn't stop them from whinging during the construction to get ink in the local rags or even after to get a few more column inches.

What's more likely to happen is by the time the project finishes in 2026/2028, BE will have ramped up route frequencies, timetables will be a lot more accurate and ridership will have climbed substantially and the councillors will be asking why there's a delay in doing a similar project on the WDR, Tuam Rd etc

Mrs OBumble · 02-03-2022 11:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711875#Comment_118711875

Hopefully to provide segregation for cyclists and pedestrians.

Mrs OBumble · 02-03-2022 11:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719490#Comment_118719490

There is no pedestrian crossing in Bridge Street.

Let's hope that wherever this is put, it will be non-slip. Wet paint on roads is horrible

serfboard · 02-03-2022 11:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723052#Comment_118723052

Presume that they mean the pedestrian crossing on (part of) the Bridge itself, which may or may not be technically called Bridge St.

veryangryman · 03-03-2022 11:09AM

What was the nutter butter doing that drove into the sea yesterday

CowboyTed · 03-03-2022 01:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723160#Comment_118723160

The one that is there is grand... Perfectly placed, Whats the problem...

Probably should look at putting in a multi-story beside Cop Station and take the parking off the Bridge itself... There is a need for night staff(bar and restaurant) to park in the city at night... Which at the moment they do for free...

ben.schlomo · 03-03-2022 02:23PM

Outdoor dining going ahead from April 9th through to October 31st. Raven Terrace, Woodquay, Forster St, William St West, Small Crane and Dominic St Upper all included. Great stuff.

what_traffic · 03-03-2022 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723052#Comment_118723052

Agree on the paint.

This is the crossing that is getting the treatment: https://goo.gl/maps/8r8BmmWpqi8qfuBg7

what_traffic · 03-03-2022 08:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725148#Comment_118725148

There is enough Multistorys already in town, apartments here would make more sense for me at Parkavara/ Millstreet.

03-03-2022 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725148#Comment_118725148

That would be a tiny multi storey and likely have less spaces than the existing car park due to the space requirements for ramps etc

Mrs OBumble · 04-03-2022 08:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727723#Comment_118727723

That is a lights-controlled crossing.

No zebra-stripws = not a pedestrian crossing.

what_traffic · 04-03-2022 01:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729646#Comment_118729646

Computer says no.

Pedestrian crossings have many 'animal' forms. Zebra, Toucan, Puffin...

CowboyTed · 04-03-2022 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721983#Comment_118721983

There was a definite belief that this would be done in conjunction with the bypass... Actually the plans for BusConnect came from the Consulting company they used for the bypass.

I say Bus Connect was put in and will be stalled until the bypass goes in our in around the same time......

I have said in the past and agree that we should actually trial it... Get the proper amount of buses and run the route for a 3 month period... Don't ater the roads but put in signage and temporary barriers... Do for week, review, month review, and let it then run for 3 months... This allows for tweaking and stopping it if there is something fundamentally gone wrong...

If we did it, have targets and goals... How many people the route should be taking and particular times of the day, is there a drop off, is there much churn... Compare that to how many cars used the route before... How much would that increase the Public Transport uptake... I would include a good advertisement campaign to get it started...

We could do that a lot sooner and as long as people know that it could be stopped if it causes too much disruption then people are more likely to give it a go... There is a serious lack of trust and the Prom debacle eroded it to

CowboyTed · 04-03-2022 03:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727744#Comment_118727744

One of the biggest in town is Galway Clinic which would be 90m by 60m.... That space (with a bit of space from he cops) would be 70m by 40m... Should be plenty big enough... When the car park beside the Connacht Tribune goes and the on street parking goes there will be very little car parking space in town...

This is about people wanting to live in town own cars and workers to be able to park cheaply... At the moment those car park spaces are free(or very cheap), they usually start in evening leave late at night...

04-03-2022 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118731691#Comment_118731691

Wait so now you want trials? Gas

Anyway, bus connects was always going to be fully implemented ahead of the GCRR. The GCRR, even best case, would not open to traffic until the 2030's, the current bus connects program will be several years completed by then and they'll be onto the next iteration of it e.g. WDR, Tuam Rd etc.

That being said, with the GTS under review this year, its highly likely that they'll actually bring forward the next set of routes and include them in the current program, just extend the duration of the program by 2-3 years to bring it to 2028/2029. If that holds true, the bus lane network may look like this by 2030

No way to know, of course, until they release the updated GTS

04-03-2022 06:01PM

https://irishcycle.com/2022/03/04/varadkar-stance-on-2nd-galway-ring-road-doesnt-bode-well-for-quick-climate-action-on-transport-in-ireland/

Leo's argument for the GCRR doesn't stack up to even the most basic of challenges

AndrewJRenko · 05-03-2022 07:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118731769#Comment_118731769

Free parking is a subsidy to better off people.

Mrs OBumble · 05-03-2022 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735261#Comment_118735261

And PSO public transport is a subsidy to worse-off people.

AndrewJRenko · 05-03-2022 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735920#Comment_118735920

Which is exactly where we should be focusing our subsidies, for economic reasons, for environmental reasons.

CowboyTed · 07-03-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118732140#Comment_118732140

I stated trails here last year...

I seriously wouldn't let this go ahead without it been trialed and I say a lot on Galway won't let it happen either...

I told you the Prom wasn't going ahead as well...

Now if they have a bit of cop on they would ask for a trail sooner than later... If it goes well then people will be anxious to get it...

Again, trails comes with targets and goals... Meet them to move forward...

Bus Conect could easily go the way of the Prom Cycle Lane if they act the same way..

CowboyTed · 07-03-2022 01:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735261#Comment_118735261

So you say the Bouncer that parks for the night and drives home afterwards is a subsidy to better off people... Same for for most of the hospitality industry...

By the way they pay there way in tax on cars... The largest subsidy is cycling....

By the way could someone tell us about the bus services for bar staff to go home after they finish clean up... And let's be clear a lot of them don't live in town.

07-03-2022 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745008#Comment_118745008

Thankfully there will be no trials (it's not physically possible for most of the network) and the various bus connects projects will be going through the full planning process. Objections to plans are lodged at that point.

Once planning permission is received, it gets implemented as per the planning application.

Targets are per the GTS, even if they are woeful due to the poor provisions envisaged for PT.

Mrs OBumble · 07-03-2022 01:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736725#Comment_118736725

Why should we be subsidising anyone?

AndrewJRenko · 07-03-2022 02:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745056#Comment_118745056

If they have a car and run a car, they are generally better off than those who don’t.

Tax on cars doesn’t come anywhere near covering the costs of motoring on society, including external costs.

Bicycles are taxed too, btw. The savings in healthcare care costs, reduced pollution and reduced traffic chaos that result from cycling are substantial.

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