The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

markodaly · 06-03-2022 10:56AM

I take great enjoyment in the fact that many of the usual crew are now turning on VAW when some months back, they were her biggest cheerleader and defender.

brokenangel · 06-03-2022 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739986#Comment_118739986

It's happening across all social media. "loola" etc are all been fired out by Sinn Fein supporters. It seems the plan is attack the victim

Deeec · 06-03-2022 11:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739733#Comment_118739733

No not a deflection at all. I dont agree with how Sinn Fein treated her - they didnt seem to support her in anyway which was wring.

Does your friends have 6 young children by the way.

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740085#Comment_118740085

What was the 'plan' with the OP and initial pile-on of this thread? 😁 Please note, I wasn't involved in it.

Deeec · 06-03-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739798#Comment_118739798

I think any woman who has 6 small children would struggle to work in any job let alone work as a TD. Lots of women with small children take a few years out of their career when they have small kids. Ultimately I do believe she will resign for family reasons and I wouldn't blame her. Feminism is about supporting women at lifes various stages - it shouldn't be about forcing women to feel they can do it all when the reality is they are exhausted trying to do all that's expected. I feel Violet was struggling with juggling it all

I think she could have alot too offer in a few years time.

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 11:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740183#Comment_118740183

At least we have the views of some of the original posters on this thread as to whether she is fit or should remain in politics or maybe they have changed their minds on that.

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 01:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740219#Comment_118740219

Can't understand how she's not an FG Minister by now, thought O'Donovan was going to fastrack he admittance,get her the once over from Dinny and have her installed in a ministerial position by last Friday,

brokenangel · 06-03-2022 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740507#Comment_118740507

how many times have you posted about her joining FG?

Still have zero relevance if she did/didn't to her getting bullied out of Sinn Fein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740219#Comment_118740219

Not sure why you think that is relevant?

VAW got the votes and was a TD. The only people worth talking about is the member of Sinn Fein who seem to think bullying her out of the party is ok.

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740599#Comment_118740599

Correction: the only people worth talking about are the ones you want to talk about.

There is nothing that went on that I can see that amounts to 'bullying', if it was 'bullying' then political shennanigans and oneup'person'ship is bullying and I and anyone else would be considered a loon if we suggested that.

None of what went on reflects well on anyone here tbh, but perspective is required.

Once again the import of actual bullying is diminished by those happy enough to demean and denigrate themselves if it suits a political agenda. Yourself included, in respect of a journalist doing her job.

06-03-2022 02:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740665#Comment_118740665

I think she suffered from lack of support from her party rather than bullying. She is obviously totally out of her depth. I actually feel sorry for her. Rearing one child while working full time is difficult enough. Rearing 6, plus a husband/partner with health issues, while having to travel to the opposite side of the country a number of days a week would stretch the strongest person.

Brucie Bonus · 06-03-2022 03:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739986#Comment_118739986

You are just making up stuff. The only hypocrisy here are you lads after spending years having castigated the woman. All anyone did was call out your mysogny and blind hate.

blanch152 · 06-03-2022 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740219#Comment_118740219

As always, Francie, you are misreading the room.

The issue here isn't whether or not she is a suitable candidate, something which has nothing to do with whether she is a woman. That was all addressed at the time of her election, and the usual posters were out defending her in numbers, yet it is noticeable that the original posters who criticised her selection never descended into misogyny.

Now, whether or not a poster criticised her selection as a candidate has nothing to do with the misogynistic bullying that she was subject to in Sinn Fein. No woman should be called an "effin eejit" for an unexpected pregnancy. In my opinion, those who have tried to defend that as harmless banter are guilty of supporting misogyny and prolonging such outdated attitudes to women. We even had one poster who was so lacking in understanding of misogyny that he defended the bullying as not being misogyny because it was a woman who made the remarks. A little bit of self-reflection from those who have defended Sinn Fein on this issue is more than overdue.

blanch152 · 06-03-2022 04:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118738925#Comment_118738925

There is a world of difference between legitimate criticism of the suitable of a candidate, male of female, for public office and misogynistic bullying from her party colleagues. I would only criticise the latter.

But hey, what an anonymous internet poster says is so much more important than the misogynistic actions of the Sinn Fein party.

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741318#Comment_118741318

Misogyny cannot be judged unless we know the context...neither of us do. End of, on that handy little label you like to lash around and devalue, again and again.

At least there are some honest posters here who can see that this is not an automatic case of bullying for those with a political agenda since the thread was opened.

astrofool · 06-03-2022 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740507#Comment_118740507

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740665#Comment_118740665

Just calling out that the pattern seems to be:

SF does something sh*tty
Posters try and defend SF by saying FG would do the same
FG haven't done the same
SF does something else sh*tty
Go to 2

This is also usually accompanied by some very simplistic language after the posters were proven wrong, with a repost of the original whataboutery with "simple as" or something similar at the end.

The questions I have is why FG, FF and other parties seem to be off limits right now.

We can call it the "SF whataboutery circle for simpletons" or "SF circle" for short, feel free to call it out when it happens next.

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741494#Comment_118741494

Never denied that anyone comes out of this smelling of roses, nobody really does when politicians fall out.

Bullying? Misogyny? Nah. Political infighting and squabbles? Yep

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 05:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740599#Comment_118740599

Watch The Week in Politics from last Sunday 27/2, O'Donovan is inviting her to join FG.

Annasopra · 06-03-2022 05:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118738953#Comment_118738953

How incredibly patronising. The article is basically that Violet Ann as a new TD did not fully understand all the inner workings of the Oireachtas but SF didnt provide her with the support she needed.

Annasopra · 06-03-2022 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739012#Comment_118739012

I dont think anything she asked for could be classed as unreasonable or special treatment.

Annasopra · 06-03-2022 05:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739676#Comment_118739676

Thats it though. SF locally and nationally just never gave her support.

astrofool · 06-03-2022 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741517#Comment_118741517

The entire thing has been a clusterf*ck for SF, from inadequate vetting to awful treatment post election. Hopefully they take the deserved criticism and learn from it.

brokenangel · 06-03-2022 05:49PM

The narrative across the internet seems to be the following

It's the government fault? still trying to work this one out
Sinn Fein didn't know about her till post election: She joined SF in 2011 and seems to be run as a councillor before, she lived in a small town and also confirmed she told them about court case etc. So when SF decided to dump the regular lady for VAW they knew everything about her. The problem seems after this and the pregnancy looks like a big issue to them forcing her out
She is making it up and many other(banter/infight etc) excuses: this seems to be decided as the most common excuse. Few things here, nobody in SF has denied the "effing eejit" statement and in fact someone has apologised seemingly about it. This confirms she was bullied in the workplace as nobody should think that sort of comment is "banter". The in-fighting is the next, but why would she need to in-fight? she had won the place over her rival to get into the election and now was in the Dail till the next term and based on current polls why would VAW think she wasn't going to get reelected. So that doesn't make sense for her to be fighting with anyone. Now again I go back to the comments made to her and her accusation of bullying. So did the party decided they didn't want her and force her out? which is terrible. Especially when they knew she was pregnant.
She should be at home with the kids and not in the Dail at all: well I have seen only one person come out with this but it is still shocking in 2022 we have people who think like this
Nobody should complain because they questioned VAW at the start: strange tactic, not sure why anyone would think its ok to bully a TD out of a party because a couple of years ago the opposition questioned her suitability.

No matter what way you look at this Sinn Fein have again a bullying issue, Mary Lou seems to be in the middle of it and either she doesn't want to stop it or she doesn't have the power to stop it.

The comments about "we are not gone away" or whatever it was, well that is the biggest issue for Sinn Fein.

brokenangel · 06-03-2022 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741633#Comment_118741633

So what if he did? does that make it ok for Sinn Fein to bully her out of the party?

She is now a free TD, she can join whoever she wants so its complete irrelvant to the discussion. She wasn't bullied in SF because she was going to join another party

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 06:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741747#Comment_118741747

TBH at this stage anyone who doesn't know the relationship between RSF and SF shouldn't really be discussing political affairs.

The comment was utterly bizarre it sounds as if it was made up TBH. Is somebody from RSF was indeed in SF they would not be telling anyone about it.

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741753#Comment_118741753

By Aoife Moore's story it's sounds more like she expected SF to do stuff that was Dail staff issues. Whole thing seems to have been blown out of proportion by all sides.

blanch152 · 06-03-2022 08:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741934#Comment_118741934

Woman being bullied by Sinn Fein isn't believed, quelle surprise.

blanch152 · 06-03-2022 08:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741517#Comment_118741517

We have had one poster tell us that a work colleague telling another work colleague with an unexpected pregnancy that they are an "effin eejit" is just harmless banter.

We have another poster telling us that it couldn't be misogyny because a woman made the remark.

There are absolute outrageous defences of the behaviour of Sinn Fein. Those of us familiar with Sinn Fein are not surprised by it.

06-03-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118738990#Comment_118738990

Do you not think that she and her partner should try for a seventh? Surely that would make their domestic life complete - and they could apply for a bigger social house - maybe with stables attached.

06-03-2022 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739636#Comment_118739636

We should be trying to increase the number of INTELLIGENT women in the Dail. Big difference.

FrancieBrady · 06-03-2022 09:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118742736#Comment_118742736

Not getting things the way you want them is not bullying to me anyhow.

I think there are more currently commenting on this (some no fans of the shinners) can see that is what this is about + a rude, inappropriate comment nobody knows the context of and for which the person concerned has apologised.

The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

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