The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Firstly, I have replied comprehensively to the other part of his post to numerous posters including yourself.

I am still awaiting a single word of support for Russia in two statements in 2014 and 2022. Whenever you get around to that, I'm happy to address anything you find.

With the level of scaremongering here I saw nothing sarcastic in his post and addressed it accordingly. As it turned out in his clarification he was indeed attempting to suggest SF would take us out of the EU against the provisions in the constitution.

SF's reasoning was not to escalate tensions.

Again, you are the one cherrypicking if you see that as support.

I heard Harkin, absolute self server...there was no vote for war, how would she have voted for or against it?

Looks lIke the govt being soft on Russia while calling out SF, notice also no sanctions on Russian Money coming in to the IFSC. Hypocrisy in Ireland is alive and well.

https://twitter.com/SMacB/status/1497994716658511881

Do you trust Marian Harkin's assessment of SF policy when she called out their hypocrisy and their lies?

I see you have nothing to say about SF's anti-EU anti-NATO and pro-Putin stances over the past few decades. I guess you conceded the point.

Politician calls out other politician's lies shocker!

As Brucie pointed out Marian is telling a few fibs herself about being an 'Independent'.

1. Where in SF policy do they say they are Anti- EU. I've looked and their policy is pro EU.
2. Anti NATO - yes I can concede that they may well be anti-NATO (certainly NATO critical) as many people are.
3. Show me where they are 'pro-Putin' -in 2014 they likened Putin in power in Ukraine to being 'under the thumb'

You can't keep bandying this stuff about Mark.

We do send ministers to despotic authoritarian regimes Mark, Saudi and Russia to name two.

Marian Harkin has a long long legacy of being an independent politician. The fact you try and stoop low to try and muddy the water is par of the course. Anyone who attacks the beloved SF narrative is fair game.

MEPs join a grouping, this is par of the course.

Talking about groupings, SF are a member of GUE/NGL the same grouping that Clare Daly and Mick Wallace are a part of, so we can go down that road if you want

SF are anti-EU given they have never ever advocated a yes vote in any EU treaty. They rejected membership back in the 1970's, right up to Lisbon and Nice. They are as anti-EU as UKIP. These are the facts. Of course, they can claim they are pro-EU but that is just a claim, the facts speak for themselves.

You do realise that the NATO security blanket is what is currently keeping the Baltic states and Poland safe from Putin's military adventurism? SF are all talk. If the UK were not part of NATO, SF would be gladly on board. But they cannot accept a military alliance that has the British on board. Shameful stuff tbh.

They are pro-Putin given their past utterances on the subject. They have spent more time and effort having a go at the EU and NATO than having a go at Putin and Russia.

You know you are in the wrong with the party leader MLMD, which appears on Russia Today, a Kremlin mouth peace and has a go at NATO and the EU. I gather her segment was used a few times since to parrot a pro-Putin narrative. On the wrong side of history yet again.

Voted for them for the first time in the 2020 GE, previously only for local councilors and not that often either. Believe it or believe it not, doesn't much bother me tbh.

Eh?

Russia invaded.

Yeh, Ukraine have been trying desperately to get into NATO. Recently Zelensky was making the point that the conflict would not have happened at all if NATO had let them join.

Who would you criticise Mark, Zelensky or NATO...or the SHinners?

This thread is not about Ukraine or Zelensky. It is about Sinn Fein

Can you name one EU treaty or referendum that Sinn Fein supported?

Marian Harkin was in an interview with Lynn Boylen, an SF MEP who was destroyed for her pro-Putin and anti-EU views on RTE Radio.

It's legitimate to bring up that interview and those on it.

It isn't legitimate to bring up Zelensky as he has bigger fish to fry and would in fairness tear strips out of SF if he had the chance, but that is here nor there.

SF didn't just vote against EU treaties they voted against ALL EU treaties.

You say they don't run with the crowd. The fact is they run with the despotic, populist and authoritarian crowd. It's easy to do that in opposition, but SF expects to be taken seriously and be in government next time out. Are they going to go on solo runs, because that is what they did in the past? The Irish electorate has a right to know what their policies are.

How can a party be Pro-EU if they have never advocated a Pro referendum vote in their favour in this history? The fact is, they aren't. They are the UKIP and National Front of Ireland.

SF just want to tap into the cranks and malcontent vote. Fine if you want to be in opposition, but a very different thing if you want to be in government and lead.

SF are the most pro-Putin party on this island, arguably on the British Isles.... and that is saying something.

Which do you serves the Irish people better? An attractive tax regime for foreign direct investment in full compliance with international law or being on of a handful of countries which refuse to recognize the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine.