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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • #1382
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    There was all sorts wrong with what that driver did, but I’ve had worse happen. I’d rate quite a few of the videos on this thread as worse, too.

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  • #1383
    Skrynesaver
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613952#Comment_118613952

    I used to get filled with such energetic rage at dangerous driving that I would inevitably chase down the driver and "have words", however either I've mellowed, I've grown out of that sort of behaviour or I've become inured to motorised idiocy.

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  • #1384
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Had a good solo spin today wandering around Slade hill (near Saggart) but near home this driver on the N4 put a damper on it. Scared the crap outta me!

    https://youtu.be/_hibjfVdt_o


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  • #1385
    MojoMaker
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    Jesus wept 😫

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  • #1386
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Trafficwatched just now.

    Still, I love the sound of my the freehub on my Scribes!

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  • #1387
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118708873#Comment_118708873

    I stopped to make sure that the video file was saved. Then I continued up the slip road where the driver was calmly sitting in a queue of traffic.

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  • #1388
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What did occur to me afterwards however, is that when he pleaded guilty it means he was admitting that he had done it on purpose.

    His pleading guilty would be to the offence but not necessarily the intent e.g. the incident happened but he hadn't seen you (but it probably was intentional!)


    My recent report to TrafficWatch above hasn't yet resulted in a call from AGS 🙄

    Had a close pass last night near Adamstown on my way home from work by a plonker in a white Transit. Caught up with the driver at the next set of lights and knocked on his window. He said to me before I opened my mouth "sorry I didn't see you". Surprised at this I asked how, given my two bright rear lights, high viz bag on my back and the street lights. He just repeated his "sorry I didn't see you" line. All I could think of saying as I left was that would be of little comfort to my wife if he had killed me. As I was pedalling away he twice shouted out his passenger window that he hadn't killed me. Gobsh1te!

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  • #1389
    Breezer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753315#Comment_118753315

    That is insane. I looked at the first pic and didn’t really understand the issue. Then I saw the second one. Holy $hit! I cant help you with the footage, I’m afraid, but if you manage to get it sorted please do report that.

    Not a near miss for me, but this morning I was coming up Phibsborough Road to Doyle’s Corner. I look to my right and here’s a guy on a Dublin bike merrily cycling the wrong way up the bollard-protected cycle lane on the other side. He comes to the junction a few seconds after the lights go green for Phibsborough Road, and swings right onto NCR, over to the left side of the road, right in front of a truck coming the other way turning left. Not a bother on the nutter!

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  • #1390
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Am I correct in thinking that if you edit the video, even just to enhance it, this puts its ability to be used as evidence on shaky ground?

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  • #1391
    hesker
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    Sharpening isn’t a myth just that the possibilities are dramatically less than what is shown on those cop shows. It is very unlikely to help much.

    Do you know if there are any other cameras in the area that might have captured the reg.

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  • #1392
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756760#Comment_118756760

    Given your use of the words "most likely" means that if you see a matching car, there is doubt as to whether it is THE car! Plus I reckon the garda that you will be talking to will be too busy or disinterested to play detective and won't want to get involved.

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  • #1393
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118758242#Comment_118758242

    Trust me, they haven't the time for playing detective for you. Plus they probably won't want to!

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  • #1394
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    https://youtu.be/x6MG7eIBYbM

    Another from Strawberry Beds, overtaking on a bend against an oncoming cyclist.

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  • #1395
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    How did you embed that you tube video

    ive tried uploading one but it’s just coming in as a link

    also tried posting video directly but even though it’s only 32mb tells me it’s failed because over limit of 50mb!

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  • #1396
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787509#Comment_118787509

    We've had cycle lanes albeit unprotected for many years and most drivers still don't check and observe. The behaviour in the video below is normal on my commute. I've resorted to taking the lane along that stretch because some drivers sneak into the bus lane and put the foot right down so that they can get to the junction as soon as possible (and join a queue of traffic).

    (language NSFW)

    https://youtu.be/OaNDwlJDPiM


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  • #1397
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Just out of curiosity, what are people's thoughts on this?

    I'm annoyed at myself for allowing it to escalate - I shouldn't have followed him into the car park but for him to keep moving his car knowing that I was there? Am I at fault here?

    Thoughts?

    Some language is NSFW!

    https://youtu.be/gZIqy4EqNgQ


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  • #1398
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Foot is fine. My cycling shoe took the weight seemingly without any damage. I remember thinking at teh time that I was going to be brought down. Thankfully it didn't happen.

    Before that, he also pinned my tyre down (reckon it was the tyre as the wheel looks fine) but wasn't enough to cause it to blow, thankfully.

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  • #1399
    Cabaal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787872#Comment_118787872

    I get why you followed him, but personally I wouldn't have bothered.

    Fact he pulled out shows he didn't give a crap about you, he wasn't going to care what you said sadly.

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  • #1400
    cletus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787872#Comment_118787872

    What did he say to you when he had his arm out the window when you first approached him?


    In this instance, I'm not sure I would have bothered following him into the car park. I don't think anything will be gained, at best he might offer some form of an apology, but if you're upset enough to follow him, that's unlikely to assuage anything.


    In more general terms, I continually surprised when people put themselves in a position for potential confrontation (this isn't a dig at you, Seth)

    Having spent a good portion of my life involved in kickboxing, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and MMA, I'm somewhat aware of what's involved or required when an altercation becomes physical, and at that, I steer clear of anything that could result in a row.

    Following someone to where they were parking would fall into that category for me, because if I was followed by someone I didn't know, I'd be preparing myself for it to become physical.

    Just my two cents

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  • #1401
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭cletus


    I keep saying it here, but the vast majority of drivers would probably be surprised if you stopped them and said they were too close.

    If they didn't hit you, they were far enough away, like any inanimate object they might drive past or around.

    On top of that, having a random stranger explain to them that they did somthing wrong, and what that was, is not going to engender some sort of come to God moment about cyclist safety. Most people just get defensive.

    "Teaching" them by deliberately delaying them, or whatever other tactic? I can't see how anyone thinks that might make people be more considerate.


    People are automatically on the defensive if people challenge them about something, particularly if they are unaware they were in the wrong in the first place.

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  • #1402
    cletus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789043#Comment_118789043

    The reality is, the vast majority of people don't know how to fight, regardless of their footwear

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  • #1403
    Seve OB
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787710#Comment_118787710

    You are shouting at him not to move but you were behind and about to undertake him. Likely you were in a blind spot. I only blame you here.

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  • #1404
    Seve OB
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787872#Comment_118787872

    He made a massive mistake and thankfully he didn’t do any damage to you. He also realised his mistake and apologised to you. I don’t know what more you wanted or expected.

    Going up to him as he was parking or turning or whatever was a dick move and yes he should have stopped but it seems to me like you seek confrontation and getting in under his wheels was just you looking for trouble

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  • #1405
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790321#Comment_118790321

    They passed me moments before they joined my lane. I was quite visible from the front and rear so if they didn't see me then it was purely poor observation on their behalf.

    Furthermore, I wasn't undertaking them (which implies an illegal action by me). I was at that point using the cycle lane which continues straight on.

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  • #1406
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790350#Comment_118790350

    His massive mistake could have had massive consequences. I was travelling at just over 50km/h on a wet surface. He saw me but didn't bother complying with the law which put me in danger. Thankfully I slowed.

    As for what more I wanted, I think I wanted to opportunity to explain how his actions endangered me and scared the crap out of me. Instead I got a dismissive gesture along with a feck-off apology.

    I wasn't seeking confrontation nor was I looking for him to effectively asault me with his car.

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  • #1407
    cletus
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    It's how and when and where you say these things too, though.

    I was coming from my car in my work carpark, and a visitor was parked up. As I passed his car, he wound down his window, threw some litter out, and wound the window back up.

    I picked it up, knocked on his window, and when he wound it down again, I said "I think you dropped something, there" and handed it back to him. He took it and mumbled thanks.

    We both knew that he didn't "drop" it, but there was no confrontation.

    Did this change his behaviour at all? No idea. But at least in this instance he had the thing he knew was wrong to to pointed out to him

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  • #1408
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭buffalo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791375#Comment_118791375

    Seth is not in a lane though, he's in a cycle track. All your references to 'lane' are moot. Can you show me where a cycle track is defined as a lane in law?

    I'm not excusing the bad driving, the driver should have anticipated the cyclist's actions, but I want to make sure that every cyclist is aware of the legal situation. What happened in that video was overtaking on the left, which is allowed except in certain situations. One of which is that the vehicle to be overtaken "has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle".

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/112384088/#Comment_112384088

    IANAL, obviously.

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  • #1409
    5uspect
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792275#Comment_118792275

    No.

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  • #1410
    buffalo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792399#Comment_118792399

    2012 🙂

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print

    (e) by substituting for article 14 (inserted by article 6 of the Regulations of 1998) the following:

    “Cycle tracks

    14. (4) A pedal cycle shall be driven on a cycle track where—

    (a) a cycle track is provided on a road, a portion of a road, or an area at the entrance to which traffic sign number RUS 021 (pedestrianised street or area) is provided, or

    (b) a cycle track is a contra-flow cycle track where traffic sign number RUS 059 is provided and pedal cycles shall only be driven in a contra-flow direction on such track.

    i.e. the mandatory requirement is only for cycle tracks in a pedestrian area or on a contra-flow track.

    It's only been nearly a decade since this became law, you'd think people would know it by now.

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  • #1411
    5uspect
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792085#Comment_118792085

    From here:

    S.I. No. 332/2012 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012.

    (b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—

    (i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,

    (ii) is stationary for the purposes of permitting a passenger or passengers to alight or board the vehicle, or

    (iii) is stationary for the purposes of loading or unloading.”,

    The driver indicated far too late, the silver car was stopped in traffic and so Seth is correct.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792301#Comment_118792301

    This was updated in the above SI and only requires that cyclists must use a cycle lane when it a contraflow lane or in pedestrianised area.

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