"Green" policies are destroying this country

21-02-2022 09:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118669673#Comment_118669673

You are the one saying its a fact, I'm just asking you to show that it is indeed, a fact, by providing some evidence to support that.

All you've given so far is your opinion, and thats fine, if thats all that you have then say so.

However, if you continue to assert that its true, then the least you should be able to do is prove that.

Otherwise it just looks like you are making this all up as you go. Its ok to admit that too

Pa ElGrande · 21-02-2022 09:52PM

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Die Zukunft ist grün is the manifesto adopted by Alliance 90/Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) in 2002. Its been translated in English as The future is Green. Since the German Greens have been most successful politically all other European Green political parties have adopted this manifesto. As with all these documents they use soft language, when you see the words promote/promotion you can substitute coerce/coercion. The Greens make up the current ruling coalition in Germany and have recently appointed the head of Greenpeace Jennifer Morgan as their climate envoy. Once she gets German citizenship she becomes a state secretary in the foreign ministry.

The EU is also pushing the European Green Deal, under a German Ursula von der Leyen.

Therefore, the green transition has to be fair and socially just. That’s why we propose to provide compensation and support to more vulnerable citizens. Our €72bn Social Climate Fund will support people on low incomes and will facilitate investments in clean technologies. The goal is precisely to cut bills for vulnerable households and small businesses. The fund will support citizens in Ireland to finance zero-emission heating or cooling systems, to install solar panels on their houses or to buy a cleaner car. Transport and energy must be affordable for all.

How is that working out so far?

If you stand back and see where Europe gets it's energy from you can see why the idea of substituting random energy for hydrocarbons appeals to European politicians across a broad spectrum, supposedly they believe they can have energy independence and be virtuous at the same time. In reality Europe is going to become ever more dependent on Russia for energy (coal & gas) as their own resources are shut-down or depleted. Underpinning all this magic thinking are modellers and leaders everywhere who have had a basic misunderstanding of how the economy operates and what limits we are up against. This misunderstanding has allowed scientists to put together models that are far from the situation we are actually facing. As time passes it becomes more obvious that random generated energy is not able to live up to the hype. Exactly how the situation will play out is not entirely clear, however once the system becomes unstable it becomes very difficult to manage.

buried · 21-02-2022 09:52PM

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Jesus DaCor, I literally don't know what to say to you anymore. You clearly have no idea of how these global political entities work, you seem to believe that the 'Global Green' agenda, which is a legitimate political agenda, it openly identifies as such. You can look up that identity as much as you like without any help from me or anybody else. I gave you examples where the likes of Alliance 90/Greens have openly said so, albeit on a political manifesto. So fair enough, if its on a political manifesto, that could well be bull$hit along with the vast majority of the rest of the hypocritical and untruthful political agenda's constantly spewed out.

But in all seriousness, if you think that Eamon Ryan, or whoever else they are trying to line up to replace him, that they are the sole arbiter of 'Green policy' on the island of Ireland, you are not only being naive but you are a literal danger to this nations function and existence. That is my opinion. If you want evidence, I suggest you look it up for yourself. It's all there.

Galwayguy35 · 21-02-2022 10:00PM

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No idea why you mentioned SF when quoting me when I never mentioned them at all.

I don't care if they are the smallest party I absolutely despise them and want to see them decimated in the next GE.

Banana Republic 1 · 21-02-2022 10:10PM

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A famous quote;

“I don’t know Homer Simpson, I never met Homer Simpson, but Homer Simpson has ruined my life”

21-02-2022 10:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118669769#Comment_118669769

That is my opinion

Thanks for confirming what I guessed already

elperello · 21-02-2022 10:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118669553#Comment_118669553

Maybe just a crossed wire so.

Though I'm still not sure what you meant when you posted this -

Fine if they live in the city in an an apartment and have access to street/home charging and or mainly clock up city miles. Otherwise there being sold a greenwash pup 🐶.

In response to this -

They've stopped importing diesel models of certain cars some with huge brand loyalty, so someone who's owned a Toyota Corolla of some variety since a DX in 1984 is going to trade their 17/18 1.4d Auris/Corolla for a new hybrid one, 25year old tech, no worries about chargers or range .natural progression rather ID betamax from VW

Mecanudo · 21-02-2022 11:11PM

Look at this piece of propaganda for doublespeak

https://twitter.com/europeangreens/status/1495714918179377156?s=20&t=uk0tEw_X0FRBuuIXolmePw

"Energy prices are skyrocketing as fossil gas becomes increasingly unreliable. We need a fair energy transition! Everyone has a #RighttoEnergy"

The first question is why are EU "energy prices skyrocketing"? And why exactly are EU "fossil gas" supplies becoming "increasingly unreliable"?

1. This is the type of doublespeak propaganda being heavily promoted by the greens, who not only are pushing for the increased taxation of fossil fuels, but who have also mandated that all future gas and oil exploration be prohibited

2. The same greens who promote unreliable renewable energy generation, forcing EU countries to scrabble for increasingly scarce natural gas supplies to maintain a sufficient quantity of electricity supply (see 1 above)

3. The same greens who support the indexing of all energy generation prices (regardless of how much or little renewables are used) to the most expensive energy generation supplies. Suprise suprise that in Europe this is natural gas (See 1 & 2 above why natural gas is increasingly becoming a scarce and expensive commodity)

Certainly everyone may indeed have the #RighttoEnergy on paper, but the fact is everyone is increasingly going to feel the very real effects of the greens policy of unreliable renewable energy generation held together by the use of increasingly scarce and expensive natural gas supplies and all courtesy of the greens themselves.

Banana Republic 1 · 22-02-2022 06:51AM

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I left out “don’t” from in front of “access to charging” point is hybrids are a con. The kango hammer that runs off electricity from a Briggs and straton generator is a hybrid. There are two types of hybrid.

elperello · 22-02-2022 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671116#Comment_118671116

Thanks that explains it.

If you need to work a kango away from mains you will be glad to avail of a generator.

Your opinion of hybrids as a con is not shared by all the people who bought them.

They are getting drivers out of diesels that don't suit them and the diesels are being bought by people who need them to get to work.

In a few years time as the stock works through the market and electrics improve things will change.

RandomViewer · 22-02-2022 05:10PM

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Big Kango is compressed air from memory

22-02-2022 06:39PM

Taoiseach warns energy prices will continue to rise as Germany halts Russian gas pipeline

https://www.independent.ie/news/taoiseach-warns-energy-prices-will-continue-to-rise-as-germany-halts-russian-gas-pipeline-41372578.html

He also clarified that the planned increase in the carbon tax will go ahead as planned

22-02-2022 07:51PM

FIE are on a roll

https://www.friendsoftheirishenvironment.org/press-releases/18128-supreme-court-to-hear-challenge-to-national-development-plan

Pa ElGrande · 22-02-2022 08:02PM

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Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. I fully expect Sinn Féin to capitalise on opposition to that, not that they will actually do anything about it in government, since the agenda is being driven by German plus environment taxes are the new growth area for government, the revenue gets redirected to their base.

22-02-2022 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118674813#Comment_118674813

Yeah some seem to think SF will "fix everything", they're going to be sorely disappointed when they see little, if any changes to the status quo wrt carbon taxes

Indeed, if they do, they're likely to be challenged in court, and will lose, based on how the climate action legislation has been designed.

Ireland is set on a course of de-carbonising now and there's little anyone can do to stop it

Mr. teddywinkles · 22-02-2022 08:30PM

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I think we should go with some sort of hippy lifestyle where ya just sit on your hole and smoke pot all day.

Everything will magically sort itself.

When we get the munchies we'll eat the berries off the trees.

Massive sex orgies to keep warm.

Fire means carbon so we will say no to that.

When ya want a ol wash the local river but once a year only because of pollution to our water ways.

Maybe the odd ritual sacrifice to appease the green god.

Life of kings.

22-02-2022 08:31PM

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Here you go

Banana Republic 1 · 23-02-2022 06:56AM

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you don’t chase walls with a big one

Banana Republic 1 · 23-02-2022 07:01AM

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address It to Vlad care of the Kremlin instead.

cnocbui · 23-02-2022 08:00AM

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So they change the legislation.

Ash.J.Williams · 23-02-2022 08:16AM

I assume all green taxes will be suspended until the inflation rate drops and Ukraine is sorted ? 😂

Thelonious Monk · 23-02-2022 08:42AM

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Carbon taxes are a tiny percentage of the rocketing fuel prices. So dropping these isn't going to make everyone happy again.

Pa ElGrande · 23-02-2022 08:59AM

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Imagine being able to change the weather by raising taxes! Taxation has always been the goal since the great environmentalist Bertie Ahern signed the country up to the Kyoto protocol. Most governments see green taxes merely as the revenue growth opportunity of the 21st century, they re not giving them up, there is a debt load to service.

Nermal · 23-02-2022 09:42AM

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I wouldn't put it past our judiciary to construct some sort of constitutional reason to lock us into this future of poverty.

An inferred 'right to live in a zero-carbon future'.

This crap has infiltrated every institution we have - it will take quite a bit of rooting out.

Thelonious Monk · 23-02-2022 10:25AM

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It's not going away any time soon this carbon stuff. You'll be destitute and starving in no time if D4 have their way.

Mr. teddywinkles · 23-02-2022 11:27AM

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We'll still have green taxes after the nukes are dropped.😏

Wanderer78 · 23-02-2022 11:53AM

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...could be good craic to try though!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676689#Comment_118676689

.....you really need to step away from Nordhaus's work, climate really isnt the weather! yes, carbon taxes alone will not solve our climate problems, i do think this is yet another major shortsighted policy in trying to tackle it, it wont work, we need to make alternatives actually truly viable, alongside its implementation

Mecanudo · 23-02-2022 12:01PM

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Quality analysis there DaCor as usual!

I guess the cheerleading of the nutters who want literally and figuratively put the lights out in the country isn't done with yet 🙄

23-02-2022 12:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676622#Comment_118676622

The previous govt made wishy-washy climate action plans of little substance and low impact. They were challenged in the courts and lost badly.

The current govt rewrote the climate action plans and designed them to have legitimate impacts on emissions in line with the various international agreements the country signed up to.

Attempts to revoke that would fail in the courts as the Climate Act was designed to be legally binding to hold the govt of the day to account, regardless of the party in power. This was done precisely to avoid populist/short-term/electioneering attempts to avoid the hard decisions.

23-02-2022 12:10PM

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It is indeed embedded very deeply in the global financial system now. All big banks have committed publicly to being being out of coal completely by 2030 and backtracking will incur the wrath of activist stakeholders. 2030 and 2050 commitments to net zero across the whole financing supply chain, especially power, energy and transport, are ambitious and public. And the net zero frameworks will be expanded into the other 17 UN sustainable development goals. The ESG departments in all big financial institutions (whether banks or funds) are being beefed up substantially. Things are changing and is much bigger than greens, or even the whole of our government.

Any reversal is going to need to take place at COP level, and as long as we have images of fires and storms and floods on our TV screens, that’s not likely to happen

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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