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Solar PV battery options

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Big Lar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    Do you have the tracking number ?

    But I think most waited about 10 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    All 16 batteries charged to 3.59 - 3.62. Doing the math they were at a very low SOC. Hopefully Sunday I’ll get time to put some of it together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,217 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I'm back up and running now again with 20kwh storage.

    Also picked up a second ME3000, thats being controlled via nodeRed. I can now charge/discharge at 6kw.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    How is that working? Are you setting a static discharge rate on the first to cover your base load? And allow the second to vary using the CT clamp?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,512 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    23kWh gross, you limiting by ~15% to get to 20kWh usable?, I was going to go 20%, 15% bottom, 5% top

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    How do you get 23kWh gross? Using 3.2V nominal I get 20.48kWh. 3.2*16*200



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,512 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    But do these batteries not charge to 3.6V

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I have CT on the Battery feed, at the consumer unit. Connected to an emonTX so its external to the whole system. - I had thought about it for a while, I have come up a relatively simple algorithm.

    When the load on that passes 1.5kw (charge or discharge) I set the secondary ME3000 to charge/discharge at half of the load on the battery CT. That updates every 10 seconds which is good enough. when the load drops below 1500w, it goes back into standby.

    Picked the second hand one up for £280 delivered to a depot in NI.

    I have read, that I could wire up a ct in parallel to to the grid CT that is around the output of the secondary ME3000, and then the Secondary one has its own grid CT.

    Both will kick in when it sees a load, but the primary will quickly take over from the secondary until it is maxed out. Then the secondary will be able to make up the difference.

    I have the 2 inverters connected to the same 20kwh pack.

    The capacity is calculated on the "Nominal" voltage so 3.2v. Planning on going 100-20 or 15% Not sure yet, but only doing a max charge of 56/57v (3.5-3.55V)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    But nominal voltage is 3.2 so that's how you usually calculate capacity. Also you really don't want your batteries at 3.6V for long periods. That's the charge voltage i.e. voltage applied by the charger and not the voltage of the battery at rest and certainly not the voltage you see when you are drawing current.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Again... As a reminder... Check all the bolts on the terminals are tight..

    And don't spend ages wondering why a cell was running high on charge and low on discharge. When I had tightened "every" bolt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 optip


    thank you to all who have contributed to this thread - it's a fantastic resource.

    I've taken the plunge & ordered 32xCALB 200 cells from a previously mentioned supplier to upgrade my existing Victron + BYD 5kWh Solar/Battery system. (6kW of solar)

    project is for 1) fun/hobby/learning, 2) to have options in a power cut / grid instability, 3) this won't save money - except over very long term - although my personal belief is that grid unit costs will skyrocket over the next few years and I'll be glad to mostly consume EV rate grid power and keep the monthly bills reasonable (~40kWh/day winter consumption).

    My intention is to switch smart rate suppliers/tariffs yearly, using the ev rate power=>big battery + solar to minimise peak rate usage. I already automate my 5kWh battery system to control night-charging the battery using OpenHab/mqtt control of the Victron system (using cloud forecast to decide how much to charge while trying to avoid exporting unnecessarily). On a good day now, the battery is empty by 4-5pm - but that's my first peak rate consumption of the day (outside of surges, etc). My hope with this project is to reach 11pm (/end of peak rate) still on battery for most of the year... should be fun 😀



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Do you already have a smart meter installed? If not standard day night tariffs are better value right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 optip


    I do - was installed about a year ago out of the blue. I've just been on a standard tariff until recently - doing a bonkers switch every year. Hopefully, there will still be value in regular switching with the smart tariffs.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Will Prowse's latest two videos are interesting.

    https://youtu.be/oXBT8lSC25M

    https://youtu.be/1U6E1bvjDYQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 optip


    very interesting... I hadn't given much thought to paralleling my existing battery with the new DIY battery. Another fun rabbit hole of research :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Does anyone know if you apply for the €600 solar PV battery grant before the deadline of 15th February, can you still get an install after that date or does the install need to be done before the 16th?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Once you get approval I think you have 6? Months to install and claim.

    But you need to nominate a company in the application form to do the work.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,512 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    What ye're letting yourselves in for, 32 cell battery and Seplos BMS dry fit

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    Im learning/researching this at the moment. I didn't realise you could go with 32 cells. Can you send your wiring setup and what the capacity will be?


    Also as a general question to everyone, is it possible to have 2 battery only inverters installed and working together? I've seen a lot quote a sofar battery inverter. I was thinking that I would like do a 10kw battery but wanted to make sure if I ever wanted ot was possible to expand that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    32 cells in 16s2p will give you about 20kW of storage.

    Look back a page or so at the diagram I posted for wiring the Seplos BMS



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    32 is nearly the practical limit that you can do per bms (but really any multiple of 16)

    A 32 cell pack is what is called 16s2p (16 in series, with 2 in parallel)

    You need 16 cells to get the 48 volts required for the inverters.

    With the seplos bms, it's also stackable afaik so you could have multiple sets of 16 (in whatever configuration) connected to the inverter.

    It is possible to have multiple battery inverters. But it's not straight forward.

    Method 1 : primary inverter is on auto with secondary on complete manual control via a external source, eg the me3000 has a passive mode where it's controlled by a rs485 connection.

    Method 2, CT trickery.

    Primary inverter has a CT on grid and a CT on the input to the secondary inverter are in parallel with each other.

    So this would "add" the CT's. There could be a very brief transient when both inverters will start a charge/discharge but the primary will quickly take over until it can't anymore, that's when the secondary kicks in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    Found it, cheers.

    Thanks for the detailed reply, looked at championcs wiring and some YouTube videos, I think im starting to understand the setup now.

    Looking at the Seplos features it looks like it can connect banks in parallel to each other. I want to make sure that whatever I do is future proofed for expansion. I would assume to add another bank they would have to be similar batteries and SOC?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Will prowse has a couple of videos recently about it

    https://youtu.be/oXBT8lSC25M

    https://youtu.be/1U6E1bvjDYQ

    They are about server rack batteries but principle still applies.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,512 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Re expansion, anyone who gets 16 battery’s wants to move to 32….only a matter of time before the 32 crew expands

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    Yeah that's exactly what I'm thinking re 16, so when I seen the 32 together it definitely peaked my interest.

    I currently have 1 EV with another on order for around July. I'm putting in a DIY e/w solar setup of around 4.6kW on the shed which will only cost about 3.5k. In spring of 2023 (remortgage dependant) we will be getting an attic extension where we could get another 6kW on a south facing roof, id look to have the battery setup by that so to get the summer out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 510 ✭✭✭munsterfan2


    I got mine today, ordered late November, of course they arrived when I am away for a week. 4 boxes, so I assume there are 4 batteries in each box. (From OYE). I got my tracking number about 3 weeks ago, before they arrived in Poland. Poland - France - Finglas - ME took about a week. ( €1229 for Grade A 16PCS CALB 3.2v 200Ah LiFePO4 )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭BuzzFish


    Ordered on the 21st Jan from OYE and have had no contact since. I know they were away for Chinese New Year but they are back now so surprised that I've had no update at all. Was this the same for you.... no comms until the batteries arrived in Poland?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    Check your order in AliExpress. They generally attach the UPS number reasonably quickly to it. But you'll only see that number going active in maybe early March



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