Are the attempts to stop the British government amnesty for the troubles futile

It has never been demonstrated that the British government murdered innocent people. There is no evidence of any government decision to permit the killing of innocents.

Yes, some British soldiers have been convicted of murder. One example is the killing of a Taliban fighter:

However, nobody would ever argue that the British government murdered that Taliban fighter, and the same applies with respect to Northern Ireland.

I want them all to go to jail, those British soldiers who broke the law, and all those terrorists who committed criminal acts. Those Tony Blair letters were a disgrace.

Thanks Blanch152 - I don't really see how that is relevant to my point tbh, or if you are being naive possibly.

That looks to me like a soldier killed a wounded Taliban fighter in Afghanistan - a country where the UK was at war. The soldier involved in the killing was jailed for doing so. What does it have to do with the British army murdering it's own innocent civilians on British soil?

You say it has never been demonstrated that the UK government murdered innocent people. Do you mean it has never been demonstrated in a British court of law? Is that not the point of this thread, they are refusing to look into the matter and offering amnesty not only to the soldiers, but to all those in government who lied and covered it up?

What I will say about your story - do you not find it odd that when a soldier does something illegal on his own back, that he was prosecuted by the army for it.

Whereas in NI when a battalion of soldiers massacre innocent civilians (such as at Ballymurphy), they are actually redeployed to murder again two weeks later (Derry).

That some of the soldiers who murdered innocent people were promoted in the army after the fact (e.g. Mike Jackson, who took part in the Ballymurphy massacre was actually promoted all the way up to head of the British army!)

That UK politicians and army figures lied repeatedly down the years that the victims of the British Army were IRA bombers and terrorists?

How can these unbelievable coincidences be explained away? The whole amnesty thing is disgraceful, and I really think excuses shouldn't be offered toward the UK government in this whole affair.

Except as I have said, there is no evidence of direct British government involvement or of orders from above. Those who have been implicated in acts of criminality by the British forces either acted alone or under local command. There doesn't appear to ever have been orders from London for acts of violence. The British government may be guilty of acts of omission if they knew post-hoc of such incidents and didn't act but acts of omission don't equate to the acts of commission by the PIRA, and by Sinn Fein supporting them, which are on a more serious level.

Holding the British government to a higher standard still does not bring them down to the level of the PIRA who made no bones about terrorising their own community and together with other republicans, killed more from the nationalist community than anyone else.

Surely you would be behind this amnesty, given that there was a war and people get killed in wars??

No rush to answer if you have an important interdiction mission to do.

the letters can't be declared null and void as the reason they were written is that there would not be enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution against the individuals anyway.

Sure the Brits created the first large range concentration camps, believe it was in South Africa before the Nazi's were even a thing

Northern Irish people are part of the British state so your post does not make any sense.

this is just deflection.

his post is correct regardless of semantics.

Last I checked the people of Northern Ireland were part of the British state. Unless there has been a vote under the GFA that I didn't hear about. You may call this semantics, but the UK is a democracy, and the state is of the people, as in any democracy.

Well actually, that is one of the biggest problems with the populist nonsense that goes for political discourse these days. The Irish state is you and me. Is Dickie Rock tax resident?