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Things you wish you'd known when researching / buying your electric car

  • 20-01-2022 1:01pm
    Registered Users Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭

    What would be your top 5 things?



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭declan123

    Real world range

    Effect of cold weather on range

    Motorway effect on range

    Poor public charging infrastructure and particularly unsuitability of 22kw chargers to modern large battery evs

  • Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭Tazium

    1. Wait times for new car delivery
    2. Removal of features by manufacturer due to chip shortages (always covered by terms and conditions favouring manufacturer)
    3. Tyre size impact on range
    4. Dealership mandated 'service costs' build into delivery costs
    5. B mode disables cruise control (on mine anyway!) attempting to engage throws an error that doesn't advise B mode is enabled

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,468 ✭✭✭✭fits

    That I’d never need to use public charging and shouldn’t worry too much about it.

    also not to allow smart meter be installed.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,531 ✭✭✭eagerv

    That we didn't do it earlier (Only 2 years now).

    That we didn't listen to all the nay sayers, range and charging not a problem for us. (Have never waited anywhere but there are places such as Kilcullen we would not dream of charging unless 4am!)

  • Moderators Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight

    A tethered home charger vs the untethered one I got.

    Range anxiety is mostly just the fear of an unknown technology. I've had 1 instance of actual range anxiety in the last 3 years of EV motoring.

    How you'll never go back, so there's a certain legitimate financial commitment you're making when going EV.

    The impact of coldgating (fast charging a cold battery = :poop: charging speeds)

    That I could switch to a night rate immediately, and not have to wait until my next bill cycle.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭CoBo55

    That phev's are Shoite, practically no battery range in cold weather, dial up charging speed making public charging useless, it's full ev for me next time probably an MG.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭CoBo55

    What's wrong with a smart meter? I got a letter saying I'm getting one this year, should I decline it?

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Old diesel

    That they are like getting new toys from Santa for Christmas as a child.

    And that you will thus be planning the next super EV replacement not long after buying the original one.

    At least that's my experience

  • Moderators Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight

    Check your electricity rates for day/night (you'd want a night rate meter if you've a BEV) vs Smart meter rates. Smart meter rates are a good 30% more expensive i'd say.

  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Gile_na_gile

    Smart meters are better for the general electric network, and enable variable pricing around demand for consumers and providers. Our existing meters are archaic and should have been transitioned years ago. Lots of providers are offering equivalent night rates based on smart meters if you have it installed already, it is just that not all providers have created these pricing schemes yet as the meters are still being rolled out (and as I type in my area).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Gile_na_gile

    And on Things etc... No regrets and couldn't afford one until 2019. Main issues with takeup are dealers still pushing ICE cars because they are often clueless and don't own or believe in EVs (at least in 2019/20 but that is changing now). Best thing I did when shopping around with my father back then was to chat to owners at the fast charging point out the back of the dealership (a taxi driver and a holiday-maker both in mark 1 or 1.5 LEAFs).

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭KCross

    ... Lots of providers are offering equivalent night rates based on smart meters if you have it installed already...

    I dont think thats true at all. Have you seen a smart tariff with a night rate <9c/kWh inc vat?

    All the ones I've seen have night rates 14c+ and the day rates are terrible too.

    General day/night rates now are 17c/8c inc vat for day/night. If you can get a smart tariff for those rates I'd like to see it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭KCross

    I dont have a top 5 myself but just from looking at what gets posted on the forum alot, is confusion around the home charge points (tethered, untethered, priority switches, grants, costs, features like Solar integration and app support etc).

    The cost of them, I think, catches alot of people out as the charge point is usually only something they look into once they've already put a deposit down and then they come here for info on the charge point. Everyone knows what a car is and how to drive, most have no idea about electrical stuff and its a key part of EV ownership.

    I know you are primarily a car reviewer and not an electrician but since everyone buying an EV needs to know how to charge it, it might make sense for you to do some home charge point reviews? Show the various types, positives, negatives, costs etc. Maybe poll the forum to get volunteers for each charge point (EO, Zappi, Andersen, Rolec etc) and do an interview type thing where they/you show it and discuss it with the owner. One for each charge point.

  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Dubwat

    That you should check your house wiring is capable of taking a home charger and you don't get stuck with an unexpected €10k+ bill to rewire the house.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,531 ✭✭✭eagerv

    Well done Mark, you were very quick editing this into your latest video🙂

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    Curious why you think the 22kw destination chargers are unsuitable?

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,198 ✭✭✭crisco10

    Just how cheap they are to run when you do mostly home charging on night rate

    the myriad of apps “required”

  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Gile_na_gile

    No, not yet many there. Look at electric ireland, though, talking of 5-6c for a limited night period:

    As of right now a physical night rate meter is cheaper for many suppliers if you can push usage onto it, but there is no reason that a smart meter setup could not offer similar variable pricing. It is just the current pricing setup is preliminary while they are being rolled out. Plus smart meters are needed for a feed-in tariff for solar (but I have no panels). More smart meter tariffs for EVs will appear.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,964 ✭✭✭✭ELM327

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭finbarrk

    Is it to allow a smart meter to be installed, or not to allow a smart meter to be installed? I'm confused.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,964 ✭✭✭✭ELM327

    to NOT under any circumstances. They do not benefit the consumer. They only allow price gouging.

  • Registered Users Posts: 44 MuttonDagger

    I still cant believe the amount of mongs championing them on boards and elsewhere.

    They were fooled into them and now they want every one else to get fooled too. ignore them

  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭eltoastero

    I don't fully agree, yeah the winter range in my old PHEV was about 25km in winter (and I'd to drive carefully to get that) - but a lot of my journeys were done on full electric despite that limitation. It was annoying to have to plug it in basically after every drive but that was the compromise of getting a nice affordable car to dip my toe into the EV world.

    I only charged in public to test my ability to charge in public, 3.6kW on a home wall box is ok when it's plugged in overnight, but i wouldn't hog a public charger for 2.5hours to fill my 8kWh battery.

    Having a PHEV for 3 years convinced me to go full BEV, so I was converted, hopefully the new owner of it gets converted too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭zg3409

    I think he means 10 hours to charge a 70kWh battery at a rate of 7kW on a 22kW charge point. As in most 22kW chargers are pointless for mid trip stops, for most cars. 50kW+ chargers tend to be 7 times quicker. 22 equals 7 for the most part.

    As a small battery Ev owner what shocked me was unreliability of 50kW chargers and 1+ hour queues at peak times, and risk of a wait is getting higher in Dublin.

    The upside was 80% savings compared to petrol, half price daily tolls, and I tend to use the EV for as many trips as possible with the diesel only for two car trips and full holiday type trips. I switched to EV when I realised it would work out cheaper and every month I delayed was costing me in fuel costs

    As a small battery EV owner the upfront cost of large battery EVs still puts me off upgrading, due to relatively short commute the maths don't work.

    They really need to simplify the home charger minefield, free chargers with new cars go some way towards this.

  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Gile_na_gile

    Their benefits ARE primarily to the ESB network and the actual creators of electricity as they can attune to and shape demand through variable pricing. Now to the customer, I can understand this gets bagged up with the evil water meters and the pay by weight for waste changes, yet both of these have environmental objectives but the whole water thing occurred at the peak of horrible cuts and bailout demands and were just not politically acceptable.

    Once smart meters are installed, and they will be to all but a handful of holdouts, there will be demand and pressure to favour consumers and avoid overly expensive peak demand costs for electricity. As a consumer, it suits me to have a moderate difference between day and night due to heavy daytime usage and no car commuting, but that might change.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Del2005

    Going OT but night rate electricity is never going to last. Its a legacy from having a few large power stations that couldn't be spun down so a demand had to be made to get people to use the excess power.

    Now with most of our grid being renewable night rate electricity will be the most expensive, how much renewable was produced the last few nights, and the cheap, or free electricity, will be during the day. No good for people with home charging if they work but good for those with storage heating as they will heat during the day now.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,198 ✭✭✭crisco10

    OT alright, but a lot of wind power gets curtailed during the night. Partly due to nights tending to be windier and also low demand across the grid overnight. Nightrate still solves this oversupply issue - all be it it doesn't happen every night.

  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭harderthanf

    Did you get an EV that had some features removed? I am waiting on an EV and would be well p!ssed off if they removed something from it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭harderthanf

    I think you need to have look at the current rates that are being provided by suppliers to customers with smart meters. There are none that are comparible to people on standard non-smart meters.

    I understand what you are saying about how it benefits the network, but at the moment, anybody moving to smart plan is paying a lot more than people who don't. I really don't think that once there is a majority of smart meters in the marketplace the suppliers are going to suddenly start dropping prices.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭turnfan

    You simply MUST be able to open your charging flap from outside the car. Either by pressing the flap, keyfob etc

    Drives me crazy every day on my Ioniq28.