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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Rural buses failed because they don't come when they are wanted, if you own your car it's there when you need it, sharing never works because there's always one Ahole who doesn't pull their weight, damages the vehicle,not pay towards fuel and repairs, gets caught speeding or drug/drunk driving and vehicle is impounded,

    "Ah sure yer grand" is not a life motto anyone should be adhering to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Sharing does work. I've just told you I'm a member of two sharing schemes (in addition to my own car).

    So it already works. In future, with self-driving cars, it will work even better - the cars can go where they are needed, without anyone driving them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    That will be the model going forward the halcyon days of car ownership are will increasingly be a thing of the past. Many EV makers have no dealerships the subscription model is the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭jackboy


    No doubt car sharing will become a thing but it will take an awful lot for people in rural areas to give up their cars. Owning a car is actually a nightmare with all the costs, bills, repairs and NCTs. People in rural areas need cars to have any sort of freedom, I’m not sure car sharing is a solution for many. I think it is better suited to urban areas in conjunction with decent public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    My household has 2 cars, one does around 15k a year the other around 5k, both are long paid for so no credit, the 2.0diesel uses around €1k a year in fuel, the 1.3 petrol around €500, insurance for both is €850,€700 for motor tax, Nct is €110 and roughly €300 in parts, so approx €3.5k a year or less than 5% of household income, compared to the taxes that are taken off me and spent willy-nilly on random shyte by the collection of crooks ,liars and halfwits in the Dail I don't see much of a nightmare,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Well it is true that beyond shelter and food you will never spend money on anything much better than a car. Owning a car is a huge benefit to quality of life. All the bills and looking after the car can be painful though these days but I suppose I can remember owning a car before the NCT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Yeah, with all the one-off housing allowed around the country, a lot of people are going to be very car reliant for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    You're leaving out the capital cost of the cars though. Which is fine if you never, ever replace them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Tell me, where did I say I got 13 years out of the same car?

    Please tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Where do I say I got 13 years out of the same car? Please show me.


    my issue to the greens is their solution for all the travails is tax tax tax.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Two different countries, how do you bike your way off the island? Surely you don't take the C02 belching metal bird, or do you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    I've one of them 7 years and the other three, one was 9k when bought the other 3k, with current values one is worth around €4k and I'd get more than I paid for the other. Domestic appliances have likely cost me more than the cars in the same period,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    It's only parts as any labour would be my own, alway buy something common so parts will be cheap and plentiful, remember buying a Jap import over 20 years ago and being cleaned getting a tailight.didnt make that mistake again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Of course I fly. I'm not a green fanatic or something. I'll reduce, reuse and recycle, and avoid wasting energy when I can. If fuel for flights was taxed properly, I'd tolerate that too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,588 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i assume you're also planning to boycott all marques which cheated the NOX tests too, on the same principle?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    Only if WFH goes away, the people who were doing the biggest commutes are the ones actively chasing full time work from home; clean air, nice garden, no scumbags and remote working is an ideal life.

    Pretty sure cities are still jammed full of brand new cars last time I checked also and those are people with public transport on their doorstep, its almost as if people don't want to cycle in the rain or take the bus 🤯



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    There's always been one-off housing in the Irish countryside.

    The issue is not so much the use of cars as the dearth of usuable public transport. I think that's also true of many urban areas.

    I'm always amazed when traveling on the M50 by the stationary queues of cars to places like Blanchardstown shopping centre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    I do not think selfdriving car is coming any time soon. Yeah, teslas are fine until they get confused and end up as a pile of smoldering metal and lithium.

    Car sharing is complicated it may become insurance racket as it is now with car hire companies chasing people for everything. I know of people going around car with a videocamera as to document any potential scratches or dents which may not be included in papers but will be charged at a super premium price when you return vehicle.

    Somehow I doubt it that this futuristic car share as described by some people here will be available soon and even if some form of it emerge it may not be as attractive as having your own car in front of the house every time you need it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Turf is not fossilised wood, and any wood that ends up there will nit burn per se Have you ever tried to burn some big oak? A decent wood burning stove has no smoke whatsoever from it once it is lit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Privatisation was definitely on the cards and the bould Danny was hot in the scent. Yes it was meant to be another utility bill despite the fact that car tax was and still is being used to fund water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    I’d say you would want to get busy building that bunker, civilisation as we know it is about to collapse…oh wait, it’s civilisation as you know it is about to collapse as you are going to live in a bunker, no worries I’ll drop food around…now and then…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Then grow up and manage them, previous generations have dealt with famine, wars and plague's, we’ll deal with whatever comes in the future but I wouldn’t be relying on the likes of you to have any fortitude!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I would love if car sharing worked.

    I was a member of one. There were only 2 cars and one van available near me. I had to walk 3km to pick one up, which i didnt mind. Problem was that if you want to go away anywhere you cant just take the car and then leave it at the destination. You need to bring it back to the destination.

    Also a lot of the time one wasnt available when i needed it at short notice.

    I think car sharing could work in this country if there are proper fleets all over the place. Not just 3 cars in a 10km circle. Also there has to be a decent chance of getting one at short notice, so there need to be more. And if you could do it like Dublin bikes that would be the game changer.

    Of course autonomous driving solves all those problems but until then, car sharing wont work for the vast majority of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,274 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Listening to Newstalk here and yet again we have another anti-car segment with a Green MEP on pontificating about how we should get rid of car usage - and car ownership! - by removing parking.

    He was on the other day talking about a "road diet" and now this. The amount of airtime this agenda is getting lately is ridiculous.

    The goal seems to be to turn the majority of the ordinary population into peasants who own nothing and suffer self-enforced restrictions on their quality of life for a vague notion of saving the planet - of course given how the Irish have embraced restrictions and loss of liberty over the last few years to save granny, it's not that big a stretch really.

    It's like something from the Soviet regime, where car ownership and comforts generally was restricted to the extremely wealthy at the expense of everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,870 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It all goes back to the dispersed pattern of living in Ireland, doesn't it, with the plague of McMansions across the rural countryside. If only people lived in the villages, towns and cities, like in the rest of Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    United Nations

    "Cities are major contributors to climate change. According to UN Habitat, cities consume 78 per cent of the world’s energy and produce more than 60 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions. "

    The world urban population | Infographics

    In 1980, 1.731 billion people worldwide, i.e. 39% of the world population were living in cities. In 2015, the number had increased to 3.968 billion (54%). According to projections, the urban share of the world population will grow to 6.419 billion (66%) by 2050.

    The talk about cities being a green place to live is only opinion, the actual data seems to suggest otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    My folks live in the countryside. They need the car for absolutely everything, unfortunately. I live in town...I walk to the shops, walk to the pub, and get public transport to work (when applicable).

    Obviously cities are not car-free zones, but (with decent public transport) they can be made car-optional. Used to live in a city on the continent - didn't need a car, even with kids.



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