The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

You've perhaps inadvertently hit on exactly why I say some people have to get burned in order to fix this - you said "it's not even confined to property: just about every type of asset has massively inflated over the last 5 years or so." This is the crux of the issue - residential property should never have been commodified as an "asset", and those who treat it as such despite knowing the suffering their greedy is causing to others are the people many of us want to see getting burned. Passive income generated by hoarding something you don't need and then bleeding others dry is one of the scummiest concepts humans have ever succeeded in dreaming up, and it needs to go. 

To be honest, it's part of a much wider issue of the top-down economy - we're currently living in an economic model in which the further one gets up the ladder away from the actual grunt work of producing goods and services, the more one earns from others' production of those goods and services. That is massively f*cked up on many, many levels. I could cite any number of other examples - people making money from property they just signed a document for and handed over money for, didn't build, didn't renovate, don't do anything other than own - they're certainly one example, but another very simple example in my book would be this - nobody in the health service who sits behind a desk all day should be paid more than somebody who actually, by their own hands, gives healthcare to patients, IE doctors and nurses. Nobody in the AGS whose job doesn't involve actually solving crimes or patrolling the streets should be paid more than those who do. Nobody in the education system who never sits or stands in front of a classroom of students during their everyday work should be paid more than those who do.

So, so, so much of our current economic system is based on the idea that people who own this or that should be paid more than those who actually work it, and that concept in and of itself is fundamentally f*cked up. Now, before anyone suggests that I'm preaching radical bullsh!t, consider that this is a concept upon which Irish Independence was ultimately founded - how utterly messed up it was that people who actually worked on farms were making less from that work than people who just happened to own the farms, even if they didn't actually live in the country.

Finance Capitalism and Rentier Capitalism are intrinsically linked, and both are concepts which take what others see as the reason capitalism is a good thing - those who work hardest and those who innovate reap the most rewards directly from the work they do - and corrupt them into something utterly toxic, essentially those that play the game better than others, have more disposable income to get into the game to begin with, etc, earn more than the people who actually work within it.

Housing is just one example of that. It happens to be the most acute right now, but it's far from the only one. Everyone knows that this is also a problem in the HSE - too many people get paid obscene amounts of money even though their job doesn't directly deal with looking after a single patient. That is completely mental. That is what needs to change.

It's a rejection of part of it. The part in which, these days, the buying, selling, and holding of 'assets' is more lucrative than the actual production of goods and services. It should be the other way around. The housing issue is in my view very much linked to that - too many people and entities are buying houses even though they have no need nor intention of actually living in them. That entire system needs to change, ultimately, or as you say this worldwide problem will never be fixed.

It's not a rejection of capitalism itself, it's a rejection of two very specific forms of capitalism, rentier capitalism and finance capitalism. Both defined as follows:

Rentier capitalism is a term currently used to describe the belief in economic practices of monopolization of access to any kind of property (physical, financial, intellectual, etc.) and gaining significant amounts of profit without contribution to society.

Finance capitalism or financial capitalism is the subordination of processes of production to the accumulation of money profits in a financial system. Financial capitalism is thus a form of capitalism where the intermediation of saving to investment becomes a dominant function in the economy, with wider implications for the political process and social evolution. Since the late 20th century, in a process sometimes called financialization, it has become the predominant force in the global economy, whether in neoliberal or other form.

Both of these forces are absolutely toxic to society, in that they actively corrupt the simple concept of a fair day's work for a fair day's pay, and allow those at the top to accumulate vast, vast hoards of wealth, and bleed others dry of income through nothing but owning excess and refusing to share it with others. They are directly responsible for the housing crisis as it exists today, and so many other problems which exist in our economy.

Again, in order to fix the housing crisis, the simple fact is that those who derive their "income" from exploiting the shortage are going to get absolutely burned. And that's a good thing, because such people and entities are parasites. That's the exact paradigm young voters are railing against when they hear comments from Leo such as "one man's rent is another man's income" - it's not earned income so f*ck whoever's income it is. Why should the people he or she has been exploiting for the last five years care how much shaking up the system will hurt that person? It's not like any of them give a bollocks how much their behaviour has hurt others.

Well this is the SF thread is it not?

There is quite a worrying reference in this article where the Community Restorative Justice Ireland seems to indicate that the PIRA are still active.

"It acknowledged – within quotes – that: “Some members of the IRA were involved in this, it was wrong, and it should never have happened.” The community group’s deputy director was able to assure the mother that the reply had been sent “with the full authority of the Irish Republican Army”."

How can an apology be sent in 2022 with the full authority of the IRA if the IRA no longer exist? At the very least it confirms the PSNI analysis that the PIRA leadership is still in place and gives credence to reports of Sinn Fein being controlled by that leadership.

Apart from all that, confirmation of PIRA involvement in the crucifixion of a 16-year old in 1995 is just another example of why Sinn Fein should be beyond the pale.

pretending you dont understand very simple statements is weak 🙄🙄

sfira are the same difference and to claim anything else is playing childish games ,

one group is a wing of the other and both of one organisation if you want a explanation simple enough for a 5 year old , realistically every one who grew up in Ireland before 1998 understands that in spite of the "party" constantly trying to rewrite history to hide its crimes from young voters

what sfria do and what they should do are very different things , as i said your party continues to facilitate and hide criminals of all shades and its supporters find that acceptable ,

loyalty over justice and decency ,

thats not politics its gangsterism

Its only one country when it suits sfira then ? there are unresolved crimes on both sides of the boarder.

many many sfira members committed crimes out of greed passion or just being drunken scumbags and hid behind politics to escape justice and continue to do so .

lol not your party eh , that has a familiar ring to it, its just like something another recently departed poster used to say 😏😏😏

I think its because SF are eating into the cartel of FFG and they don't like that they will probably no longer be top dog.

Their only answer is something something Sf something something IRA. Sure aren't they blaming SF for the housing crisis. They also blame SF for problems in Northern Ireland when SF is in coalition just like FF is with FG and the Greens.

I can only assume your intentionally misunderstanding ,but for clarity i ll point out that sfira can and do use the boarder to their advantage in their criminality even today , fuel and other smuggling for example ,

I dont like the idea of a organisation that i and many others consider a organised crime gang in government .

while this is a sf thread i agree that the other main political parties in this country are a disgrace too but sfira still have a lot of innocent blood on their hands and use politics to shelter their members from justice for their political and non political crimes . sfiras online trolling activity's are fairly disgusting too .

of course you know all this ........

1350 posts most intensely political in 3 months is a lot of support

I lived through the 80s and 90s watching the terrorism live on both sides and when the war is supposed to be over sfira kept killing stealing and destroying people but never answered for it because the organisation facilitated it .

Clear ?

Posters used to be banned for saying SF/IRA... a real hardline Unionist term basically.