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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The 2020 legislation summary is below. You can give people free samples but cant give any alcohol free or reduced conditional on other purchases. So meal deals inc bottle of wine all disappeared.

    • Loyalty card programmes that reward customers for buying alcohol
    • Promotions that allow for alcoholic drinks to be sold at a reduced price or given away for free when bought alongside other products
    • Short term price promotions where the price of an alcoholic drink is reduced for a period of less than 3 days


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Driving gloves


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

    What about Irish registered airlines giving free beer? Like KLM?

    What about my local GAA that gave me a bottle of wine in a raffle?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Galahad has gone to €18.94 here vs. £6.55 (€7.84) there. Bus is £6.50 (€7.475)

    Two 12 packs and you're already saving €7.25 and then it's €11.10 per slab after that.

    If you could manage to get/be allowed 18 cases on the bus then the expedition would cost you €172.07 but you'd save €184.85 compared to MUP. Govt would lose €78.41 in VAT


    For the train it's 3 dozen cans to cover the price of the ticket. When it's in stock Aldi's hand truck can take 90Kg pay for from the savings on 3 cases. It's about 6 cases to cover car fuel costs, though double that for wear and tear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There was no reference in the drug report to MUP. And as far as I can see none in that alcohol report either. No point in speculating about the effect of MUP from studies which did not examine it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not an expert on airline law... if it was a ship I would say once you are outside irish waters you can do what you like.

    A raffle might be a special case as you are not purchasing a (guaranteed) service. Id imagine of it was abused - like a 1 euro ticket and half the people win - itd be next in the firing line.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Driving gloves


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

    I live in north county Dublin. Just under an hour to sainsburrys in Newry.

    I could fill the boot and the back seats.

    My da could fill the work can to the gills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,892 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Different rules already apply to airlines. e.g., they can sell/give you alcohol at times that no other licensed premises could. So they must be operating outside Irish legislation already.

    The GAA raffle should have been cleared/licensed by the local garda station. I suspect there'd be no issue with an alcohol prize as long as it's a bona fida raffle under accepted norms. But by the same extension Tesco can't sell you a raffle ticket for 1cent if you spend €50 on alcohol, with 99% of tickets winning 4 cans. That wouldn't be a valid raffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Driving gloves


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

    Why can’t we have a free market and let consenting adults buy products and services from other consenting adults?

    No minimum alcohol pricing, no prohibitive licensing laws, no sugar tax.

    As long as no discrimination or racism or sexism is happening then remove most regulatory blocks from the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Driving gloves


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

    Why couldn’t the raffle system work and who decides what’s accepted?

    I put on a raffle for €2 and 9 out of 10 tickets win a pint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

    I never said the report I provided a link to on drug related deaths in Scotland referenced MUP and just provided a link to that report as it showed the increased numbers of deaths. This was in response to another poster looking for references for these numbers which were reported on BBC news as reaching record levels in Scotland last year three years after MUP came into force. You can draw your own conclusions from these record levels of drug related deaths in the only country to bring in MUP before Ireland but I don't see how you can justify not acknowledging these numbers just because they don't break them down in relation to MUP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,305 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Too many vested interests with a lot to lose if your idea was implemented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is a point when the good of individuals, even when it is the good of the majority, actually worsens the lives of the overall population. As well as some of your examples, say everyone could get a very cheap car which has zero pollution cheap fuel. Happy days for loads of people, but the roads would probably be clogged up to make traffic jams unbearable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,526 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'm struggling to see how I twisted figures about drug deaths and MUP.

    The spike was before MUP and continued through MUP.

    So MUP is not responsible for the spike in drug deaths..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I can't draw any conclusions because there is no study of any link between the deaths and MUP. As well as that the anti MUP posters were very careful not to reference the higher annual percentage increases in drug deaths prior to 2018, compared to the post 2018 figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

    Because we end up paying for the harm resulting through taxation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Frank Feighan was the man junior minister that started the ball rolling in March with these skewed bullcrap figures and the same man who referred to pocket money drinks.

    Frank Feighan, the junior minister for public health, said the Irish government could “not wait any longer for Northern Ireland” to protect problem drinkers. Research shows that 2,700 deaths per year in Ireland are attributable to alcohol.

    What a load of utter horsecrap. No surprise he used to be a publican. No idea if he still is, or at least owns premises and lets them. I would almost bet he was a teacher ina former life, I know nothing about him.

    What on earth was the rush to push ahead?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The memories are still fresh in my head from 20 years ago when I would be out clubbing and come onto the streets at 3am, it was pure anarchy with drunk arseholes falling in front of cars, spilling chips and litter all over the place, smashing pint glasses, puking and p*ssing down alleys and getting in scraps.

    It's time to call a halt, the binge drinking can't go on. There comes a time when you just have to come to your senses and put a stop to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,526 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Yes the anti MUP crowd were banging the Scottish drug deaths post MUP drum for a long time before another poster on another thread about Roisin Shortall pointed out that it was spiking since 2013.

    Then it was brought here.

    But some still bang that drum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    And yet your post was still straw man garbage, again you can be angry about this and not have it financially destroy you and it does not require 1k to make a run north worthwhile.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,526 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Can you prove his figures are bullcrap or is that just an opinion ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So like other modern European countries do let's stagger night club closings and stop trying to restrict everything so people no longer feel the need to pound the booze due to the closing times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Just wait till the citizens assembly start looking into decriminalising drugs as has been mooted, then you will see how much of a dinosaur this man really is as he still refers to cannibis as a gateway drug and yet he's in charge of our drugs policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,219 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.


    And MUP stops this how?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

    This is the second time you have tried to say the spike in drug related deaths in Scotland was before MUP when the figures clearly show the deaths per year have continued to increase since its introduction. I've no reason to keep repeating myself and as I said before you can draw your own conclusions from the figures that show many more deaths per year now from drugs in Scotland with an increase in these numbers each year since MUP has been in force there.


    I find it equally ridiculous that the figures that show record deaths from alcohol two years after MUP came into force in Scotland are also being shrugged off as insignificant just because the poster claims the report does not reference specifically MUP. The way your tunnel vision is working in this discusion makes me think the two of you might just be from AAI yourselves and responsible for this rediculous legislation that is so prejudiced against people on lower incomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

    At least I'm no longer part of the anti-alcohol brigade, sorry that label didn't work out for you this time.

    The rest of your post is a bit of a word salad. I'm not particularly pleased about MUP, I won't be financially destroyed by it, and I may potentially grab a few bits up north next time I'm in that direction - so what?

    My point was limited to the type of person on the thread claiming to be the second coming of Bob Cratchit while also planning to head up a convoy to load up on van loads of drink; the two don't really reconcile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Any update on your claim that you'd need to buy 1300 bottles of beer to break even on a trip to the North?

    To put that absurd claim into real terms,in pre Covid travel times you could travel from the vast majority of capital cities anywhere on the planet to Newry and back for less than €2600.(That figure is the increase that I would pay for my favoured beer x 1300)

    You know you're losing when you resort to this kind of dishonesty.You seem to be able to put a sentence together and don't come across as dumb.....so you know this is not true,yet you're here raging against the tide.

    I might get a bit emotive and people can have different opinions but if you can't put your point across honestly then I'll leave you to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Universal Basic Income for self Certified artists 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Did you ever look for any evidence about the outcomes so far in Scotland from MUP? Instead of taking your conclusions from studies which have nothing to do with it. I googled MUP Scotland Studies, and there are plenty of links, none of which I looked at in detail. I would say it is too soon to draw definitive conclusions. If it becomes apparent that the MUP is too low, it can always be increased to see if that will improve public health.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Why not just bring in prohibition in that case?



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