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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The tick-tock nature of American politics could have serious implications for the country, the way things are shaping up. It used to be a stable system because each side represented roughly one half of America and, most importantly, they each abided by the same set of norms. There was a kind of balance, there. Democratic president, Republican Senate. Republican president, Democratic house. It was bland and predictable, but it basically worked.

    What appears to be happening, now, is that the Republican side is getting more desperate. I think the root of this is that the party's voting base has been the worst hit by austerity post-2008, and this has left them prone to the extreme rhetoric and disinformation proliferating online, and there are real echoes of history in that. And the more extreme they get, the more they push the rest of America away, and the less potential benefit they gain from participating in politics as normal and enfranchisement for all.

    Therefore, they will use their control in state legislatures, where they have it, to make it harder to vote for the kind of people they don't want voting, and try to get a majority of representatives back in power at the top levels of U.S. politics. All that's left, then, is to get a Republican president back in office and 'get it right' that time, as Bannon has essentially said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover



    Well, I'm not concerned about people SWITCHING votes to trump. It's more of the general Democrat apathy that is of concern. It's a broad statement but younger people tend to be more liberal and Democrat-leaning in the US but they are also the least likely to vote. I was in the UK at Glastonbury when the UK voted for Brexit. Again, younger people would have voted to stay in general. You could see the shock on people there, Unable to believe it had passed. But I was talking to people there and almost every one had variations on the same answer: "No, I just didn't get around to voting" or "I'm stunned. But I didn't vote because I thought it would never pass".

    Basically if you don't vote for the person/cause/policy you want, you are, in effect, voting AGAINST it. So, you are absolutely right in that the trump loss was mainly down to anti-trump, the anger isn't there as much now. He's loud and hate-filled but he's not in power anymore.... So they don't need to vote this time. Job is done. THAT'S the problem. Whereas trump supporters WILL turn up. And this is their right. And the right thing to do. They are entitled to vote (once, guys) just as much as everyone else.

    So yeah, Apathy and the pre-emptive rigging that GOP states are bringing in are the BIG concern (And there is ZERO other term for their regulations. It is blatant pre-emptive rigging. So blatant we are talking about it two YEARS before their rigging attempts to impact the 2024 election)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    " think the root of this is that the party's voting base has been the worst hit by austerity post-2008"

    Yes, but their policies and approach to politics in general is outdated and they are the least favourite party. Therefore, they must cajole or cheat to stay in power.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be honest , I think the greatest weapon against Democrat voter apathy (and I totally agree with you on that general point) is Trump running again.

    Trump as a figurehead will counterbalance a very large chunk of the "Biden didn't deliver X" or "Candidate X doesn't exactly tick every single one of my ideological boxes" so I'm staying home and not voting.

    I'd be much more worried about Democrat voter apathy or their ridiculous "purity test" guff if the GOP candidate isn't Trump.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    The Big Lie show must go on. Hosted by Donald Trump. For 2022 mid-terms and 2024 general. Trump to conduct a Jan 6 news media briefing from his Florida mansion tomorrow. Obviously a reiteration of the Big Lie election fraud conspiracy. Just like commercials on TV. Apparently the more you repeat something, the more people buy it. Otherwise advertising would not work. Nor would Trump’s Big Lie.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,289 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He cancelled that "briefing". none of the major news stations would cover it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Last minute Trump cancellation? Of his commemorative Jan 6 botched insurrection? Not even his Fox & Friends news media mouth piece would appear? So Trump now has botched his 1-year anniversary?

    Now see the cancellation on various news media reports. Fox says he will next address the world about his stolen election conspiracy at his Arizona January 15 (obvious presidential 2024) rally. Will the Cyber Ninjas be at the rally to report that Biden won AZ? Even though the audit was paid for by the Republican controlled AZ Senate.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,897 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It would become another referendum on trump's first term, it's hard to see what Biden could do that would change voter's minds on trump1 (especially as Afghanistan is now old news). The GOP surely realises that even if trump doesn't.



  • Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depressingly paddy power has Trump as favourite to win the next presidential election. He is at 3/1, Biden is at 4/1 with Harris at 5/1.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump would make it all about fixing the "Terrible wrong" that was inflicted on him when the 2020 election was "stolen from him by the Communist Democrats". There will be no policy or anything like that it would all about him and getting his revenge.

    If 2024 voting and certification was carried out under largely the same procedures and rules as 2020 , then Trump loses again without question , regardless of how good or bad Biden is doing by November 2024, he is beyond toxic to the majority of US voters and will do nothing to address that.

    But 2024 won't be under those same rules - The GOP are in the process of putting their foot on the scale across multiple States in multiple different ways to ensure that it isn't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,897 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's because more people will put money down and tie it up for a few years on trump then they will on the others, it's a potential loss leader without much risk for the bookmaker. Until Biden is confirmed to run (I've no doubt he will) then his odds will be diluted whereas there's not much other names on the GOP side that would attract early bets (DeSantis maybe?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Who was the trumpette here who claimed to put their house on trump winning in 2020?

    Newworldorder or notobtuse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    drunkmonkey. He/she disappeared shortly afterward, or at least that particular username.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,152 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,152 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    One of those. I offered to put a grand on Biden if they showed me the betting slip. Never saw it though.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,074 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The WiFi password might have been changed by the new owner when they took possession of the house. A bet is a bet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Watching some of '4 Hours at the Capitol' about Jan 6th, there. A stark reminder of the ferocity shown on the day, especially the protestors forcing their way in. That crush at the door looked pretty harrowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,337 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It really is amazing how many people have spent so much time trying to downplay the violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,210 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I was working from home last year and had CSPAN channel on a separate screen and watched it live, starting from his speech. It was pretty incredible and then watching Twitter at the same time and the tweets from elected officials and how they felt about what was going on.

    Felt right then like watching a piece of history unfold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The gaslighting was something else.

    They were only a few.

    They weren't violent.

    They were just tourists.

    No one brought a gun.

    They were in fact antifa!

    Trump didn't incite them.

    All of which was said despite evidence which we saw.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,256 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And those claiming the rioters weren't violent, but instead most of them were like this lil' ol' meemaw.

    User: "Untitled Image"

    How could the riot have been violent, if it was done by sweet ol' ladies like her?

    Except she wasn't even at the Capitol. That pic was apparently taken at a local protest in Kansas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    It’s still completely outrageous if you think about it.

    And they want him to run again in 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,256 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Well Ron DeSantis is a possible contender for 2024.

    That's if he makes it to 2024 of course. He disappeared for a few weeks but in a public appearance yesterday seems very short of breath and having difficulty speaking with voice trembling the more he speaks. Quite possibly has/had Covid.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,004 ✭✭✭✭osarusan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    This is very very good

    Dispels any 'just tourist' defense




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    All sorts of restrictions on viewing on Youtube; must provide a credit card, etc. Never saw this before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Bloody hell that's a tough watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    It really was. It was like 9/11. I remember watching the news before going to work on afternoon shift in previous job. Plane 1 had hit. Phoned my mam telling her to turn on the news. Was a terrible accident. Went in to the shower, when I came out, plane 2 had hit. On the way into work met a mate and he was listening in on his phone about the Pentagon. I remember saying "Ah, they are freaking out now. A large bird hitting a window will be seen as an attack". Of course then we arrived at work and got the confirmation.

    For this I was watching on CNN and switching to BBC. From one news station to another. Was Whatsapping my team of workmates (Some based in the US) "Are you WATCHING this? Holy Crap!" (Followed by "WTF is a thick Kerry bogger doing reporting for CNN?").


    There's a reason his klan have stopped trying to justify trump and his terrorists on this forum.... There IS no justification. Many MANY of us watched it unedited, LIVE on TV. Without fox "news" spin. Watched his speech before. Watched his statement during. There is no revisionist reassessing. We watched and wondered "Where the hell are the soldiers? Where is the backup for the police? This is going to go pear-shaped.... Annnnnnnnnnddddd there is goes"


    I know it sounds overly-dramatic but that day was the day we all knew that American democracy was f*cked forever. And we knew that those images were going to be the DEFINING image of trumps presidency.... And deservedly so. It SHOULD be the defining image of the Republican Party because while they don't condemn him, they condone him. When they don't condemn him, they say to the world: "He speaks for us. Everything he says is the official opinion of the Republican Party"


    Edit: Fixed typo

    Post edited by TheIrishGrover on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,289 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    There's a reason his klan have stopped trying to justify trump and his terrorists on this forum

    they were still trying to gaslight people 2 months ago. they've just taken a break. they will be back again trying the same lies. that is the trump way.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Mid-terms November 2022 will see Republicans win the US House. Historically this often happens where the opposition party to the sitting president wins control. That will mean a new Speaker of the House. Followed by many committee changes. The Speaker may take Trump’s place as leader of the GOP. Only time will tell.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



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