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Solar PV battery options

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    speaking of youtube and other sites, any good resource for a total novice looking into DIY option?

    At moment I am thinking to get a 2.5KwH battery with a PV install, then I do know an electrician who I guess could install or add on more batteries with ease- but I dont want to trouble him to wire the whole setup....

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    The electrical side is very simple. Panels have a male and female connector on each. You simply connect the male from one to the female of the next. It's easier than Lego. You then need two long leads from the inverter to the string of panels, with a DC disconnect switch along the path (or one at the panels and one at the inverter).

    So in reality, the difficult bit is to simply anchor the mounting rails to your roof. There should be plenty of videos online for how to remove / replace roof tiles.

    The installer companies can do an install in a day, and it's easy to see why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    I assume he meant diy battery option. Been reading this thread but mostly lost if I'm honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    ya its the battery bit i would like to DIY, or to add on batteries after all the "hard" (easy?) work is done.

    I wont be going near the roof so the panels will definitely have to be mounted by someone who knows what they are at in terms of roof operations.

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    The DIY battery option is stupidly simple. A string of batteries has a positive at one end and a negative at the other. These connect to the positive and negative terminals on the inverter.

    Some form of cutoff switch should be between the batteries and the inverter, as should a BMS too.

    The difficult and time consuming bit is wiring the BMS leads to each battery cell



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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is there any issues with insurance when doing a DIY battery build? Does it need to be signed off by a qualified electrician for example?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    Does anyone have a parts list?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 fluffykre


    This video popped up on my youtube feed I found it interesting. Describes the troubles with ordering lifepo4 from china. What i found interesting is these Alibaba sellers will accept creditcard for an extra few % (3% in this persons example), maybe an alternative to aliexpress if you have confidence in your creditcard providers charge back process. this fellow is buying large quantity of these cells for ther off grid setup in the US.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYqemUdIo08
    




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    Saw this well worth watching I would have thought he should have got a better deal for that many cells. I like watching his battery built perfect for those of us who are doing the same setup I may even copy the plywood casing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    If connecting a DC power pack to an already installed inverter, then nothing whatsoever. Your installer of a hybrid inverter might get arsy if you had a problem but realistically, after the fist week of operation, I very much doubt if any customer has seen or needed their installer since



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    16 cells, a BMS, a DC disconnect and decent cable. And a half decent digital multimeter too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    From personal experience, buy with a credit card via AliExpress. Do NOT buy direct. If you have any problem, you can raise a Dispute with AliExpress, and 99 times out of 100, they will go against the retailer and issue a refund.

    I bought a set of 16 cells recently. They never arrived. The seller claimed they were at the PO awaiting collection. They then said that they were signed for too. AliExpress issued me a refund.

    So in my opinion, they are actually easier than Ebay or PayPal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭cian1500ww


    I'd also add some sort of suitable fuse. There's a lot of potential in these batteries so worth investing in a fuse to protect things. Lithium Solar did a good video on the suitable types of fuses that should be used with lithium batteries.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    I posted a shopping list a few pages back. Also I agree with championc. Go with Aliexpress. People's experience with PWOD and OYE has been good. Look for videos from Ray (same guy linked above by fluffykre) or Will Prowse for good how-tos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Big Lar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I have an existing 2.52kWp array with no battery.


    I'm considering adding some battery storage.


    As I see it, I have two options - avail of the €600 grant and get a hybrid inverter installed and a 2.5kW battery (or larger), then sell this and replace with a DIY battery. Or, get a stand alone inverter installed and go straight to the DIY battery route. Probably 5kWh would suffice given our array size - is this possible or is 16 cells the minimum?

    We have a PHEV which we're putting circa 11kWh into each night so I would be happy with the battery covering up to the night rate period and it would probably be uneconomical to try and cover the car charging from battery even if we had the excess.

    What are people's thoughts on the best option. I'm very comfortable with 12v electrics from campers and boats but have v.limited experience with higher voltage stuff. I assume I'd need a sparks to install the inverter if going with a standalone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    Going with a separate Storage Inverter will, in the long term, give you more options I believe. You can build it while the other is working away, you can also locate it in a completely separate location. Most of all, you can CONTROL what goes in and out, and measure it too. This is exactly what a Tesla Powerwall is.

    16 Cells is 16 because each cell is only around 3.2v and therefore, it's about making up a 48v pack. So we're not really talking about High Voltage at all. With Campers, people may have rigs with 4 x 12v in parallel (12v but lots of amps). In our case, we are 4 x 12v in Series. I assume the 12v on a camper feeds an inverter - well so does the 48v in exactly the same way.

    You shouldn't really be thinking about charging the car from the battery if you have night rate. Obviously car charging only really kicks in when excess solar is 1.4kW. So if you had a Hybrid, it would ALWAYs fill the battery first, but with the likes of a Zappi charger, you could fill the car before the battery.

    Lastly, you should only really need a sparks to make the final AC electrical connection into your fuse board. You could mount the inverter, build the powerwall and do all the cabling yourself. So in reality, you could literally do the whole thing yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Alkers I'm also in the research phase here with respect to options like yourself......and my thanks to you championc. These forums are awesome for the level of sharing that goes on. Truly.

    Only thing I'd comment is that 48v isn't to be trifled with. With a 48V pack I guess you could get up to 55-56v upper voltage, that is enough to "ruin-your-day"(tm) if your not careful and accidentally had that charge going across you, esp if it was hot day or something and your hands might be sweaty. Only takes 30-40 mA for you to "wake up dead" :)

    However, bad-mojo/doom-gloom aside, 48V is generally ok to deal/work with. Sure, your not going to be going around licking terminals - just wouldn't like for people to get into their heads that you can be flippant like you can with a 12V, but 48V is generally pretty safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,217 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Wait... I wasn't supposed to lick the terminals???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭championc


    The I believe the batteries are safe to work with then not connected to the system, in the same way that you could get a right belt off a car battery when the starter is turning the engine. The deadly part is the current, and keeping the positives away from the negatives



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Also looking at using a 2.5 to unlock grant and then selling and upgrading DIY. Is it easy to shift a 2.5 battery? dont see any on donedeal right now?

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,217 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    No problem shifting them. I sold 2 of them via here a few months back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,180 ✭✭✭✭unkel



    No! You're only supposed to do that with systems up to 36V.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Lads it's fine (totally FINE!)..... as long as you only lick ONE terminal at a time. Don't ever lick two together, like you did back in the day when you were a kid with a 9V battery!

    LOL!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭E30M3


    To anyone who has replaced Pylontech batteries that were already installed I was just wondering is it a good idea to re use the long Pylontech Power Cables and replace the Pylontech Battery Terminals with Ring Terminals and use those cables from your LfeP04 Battery bank or is there a reason for not taking this approach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    The Pylontech battery, the connection on the cable would be of no use to the LiFePO4 setup which would use a lug. Normally there is a fused switch before the inverter you would be connecting the diy setup to. Also the next user of the Pylontech would need the cable I’d assume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    I was wondering about this myself, can we just buy a set of pylontech cables and cut the end that connects to the battery and add a ring terminal there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭E30M3


    That was my question Dracula but you phrased better that I did. I have the cables having sold the batteries and it seems like a logical approach to take but I may be missing something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭reklamos


    I really see why no reason why you cannot reuse the cables. Just cut plugs off and put the proper lugs on them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    i am sure it is buried in the 52 pages of the thread somewhere, but how are people finding battery life after 5 years, particularly those of you who are perhaps maximising cycles by charging from grid at night to discharge when day electricity rate kicks in?

    😎



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