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Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    I think we all look forward to the first safety car next year when we have a few cars lapped. I expect they'll rewrite the rules before then but lets hope not and Masi is in charge and see what he decides to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,514 ✭✭✭tanko


    What happened in the last lap on Sunday was just a “racing incident”, the same as what happened at Silverstone and other races were just racing incidents. Anything Masi did “wasn’t intentional” just the same as everything Hamilton and Wolff did weren’t intentional. Sure anyone who thinks any different is just a conspiracy theorist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,013 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    If the teams had agreed in advance to finish under a green flag if at all possible, then shouldn't Mercedes have expected that the safety car would be cleared and at least one lap of racing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    So does this make Lewis the only non-number 2 driver in history to have managed to lose the drivers championship on three separate occasions in cars that were scored the most constructors points?

    Only on two of those occasions did his team win the WCC of course as McLaren were disqualified from 2007 for the corporate espionage that laid the foundations for the the 2008 championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yep, track position trumps fresher tyres when you only need to hold it for one or two laps. Perez showed it’s doable, and should be even more doable with a Mercedes engine in your car.

    I get the impression whichever way Mercedes went Verstappen was going to win, either by holding on with older tyres or overtaking with newer ones - he showed on lap 1 that he’s more than capable of out racing Lewis who had to resort to taking a shortcut.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,972 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Also them moaning about the red flag in the last race when they had to repair the crash barrier

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,970 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    This thread is like this 😂




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,426 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    aka - a discussion... for & against , Merc Vs Red Bull , Max Vs Ham , Toto V Horner

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    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭joe35


    Reminds me a bit of the Leinster final between Louth and Meath a few years back.

    You can't throw the ball into the net yet that's what Joe Sheridan done. Referee allowed the goal end of.

    Now Louth huffed and puffed out of them that they should of had a replay or been awarded the title.

    What they should have been talking about is how in injury time, when they had possession of the ball, did they give Meath the chance.


    They weren't good enough. Dublin or an Ulster team, a point up in injury time would have just kept possession.


    Similar, Hamilton wasn't good enough. He wasn't good enough to stay ahead on the last lap END OF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    His method of going for openings and then defending them is hardly sportsmanlike, to say the least. You can defend an advantageous position legitimately without deliberately forcing your opponent off track. He was trying to put Hamilton out of the race, no question, even if it meant ruining his own race in the process because Lewis had the faster car - all things being equal. Max would still be crowned champion if both had retired.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,807 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Are you suggesting Perez is a better driver then Hamilton because he did something to Lewis earlier in the race that Lewis didn't do to Max on the last lap?

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭joe35


    I don't follow it much. What I'm saying is that Hamilton wasn't good enough.

    On the day, in those circumstances, Hamilton wasn't good enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,671 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Not sure if this has already been posted.

    The chassis default 77 command brought up a thank you message in Finnish on his wheel.

    A nice touch.

    Makes you wonder why they couldn't have a chassis default 44 message which would say let lewis pass in Finnish rather than have to radio him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,698 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    probaly far easier to put a perminent sticker on the dash.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It's amazing how many times this needs to be said. RB were only going to pit again if Mercedes didn't.

    RB's strategy was to do the opposite to Mercedes. Mercedes had no guarantee that the race would definitely be restarted so if they pit, then Max would have stayed out and taken the lead.

    It would have been a stupid decision to pit when they had no idea the race would definitely restart. You always maintain track position in that situation every single time.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Perez was able to get back past Hamilton with the help of DRS and Hamilton's colder, hard tyres.

    Hamilton was on 30+ lap worn tyres, with no DRS, against Max's brand new soft tyres which are much easier to get up to temperature and with much better grip in the braking zones.

    Two completely different scenerios. To say Hamilton 'wasn't good enough' is bollocks. He had a significant disadvantage but you can only say fair play to RB and Max for utilising it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,452 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Mercedes made the right call for the safety car, but the wrong (or conservative) call to immediately cover Max during the first window, and also to not pit during the VSC. They had a clear pace advantage and a more durable tyre, but chose to pit early to preserve track position.

    And it's not like a late safety car was out or the question -- the last race of a gruellling season with a lot of parts at end-of-life, and a fair few tyre failures this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    The timeline you put forward isn’t fully accurate - by the time the field passed the incident on lap 56 the Marshalls were finished and off the track. They weren’t at the end of the lap yet so could easily have let the backmarkers go by at that point when it was still lap 56 and then restarted on lap 57 but they didn’t.

    Latifi’s car was actually cleared on lap 55 and lapped cars don’t run at full racing speed, they run to a delta that is effectively the same as the VSC, and it is absolutely standard for cars to run at these speeds without needing to be behind a safety car when there’s just some carbon fibre being cleared - see Saudi Arabia for example. This is why drivers like Alonso and Vettel were on the radio asking why lapped cars weren’t being allowed past like they normally do.

    The only failure of procedure was the delay in letting lapped cars through. As soon as Latifi crashed everyone expected and assumed that lapped cars would go through and then the race would restart, because that’s all completely normal, barring something like a damaged barrier dramatically slowing the incident recovery. It would be wrong to go against precedent and not let lapped cars through, and it would also be wrong to not finish the race under green flag conditions when the incident had been cleared two laps before the end.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Regarding your point about Perez having DRS, you still have to acknowledge that he drove fantastically in this duel with Lewis. The soft tyres on Perez's car were in very poor condition at this stage. Ultimatley he cost Lewis around 8 seconds.

    If the tables were turned and Lewis was on fresher tyres was trying to pass Max on the last lap, who would have finished first? Well if Max had the engine advantage that Lewis had, I believe that Max would have won. Maybe I am wrong, we will never know. However, most people agree that Max is a worthy F1 champion and Lewis behaved in a very sporting manner in the end, fair play to both of them.



  • Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "The timeline you put forward isn't fully accurate - by the time the field passed the incident on lap 56 the Marshalls were finished and off the track".

    Incorrect. When the field passed on lap 56 at least 3 marshalls were still on track. They are scrambling over the barriers as the field passes, when we leave the scene they are over the barriers but inside the fence.

    From this angle the safety car is entering turn 15 on lap 56. It is fully accurate to say the track became clear sometime on lap 56 or 57.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,464 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Was Max’s overtake manoeuvre on final lap a DRS move?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I have said multiple times in this thread that Perez was outstanding in that duel, including at the time.

    I use the DRS remark when people try to dismiss Hamilton’s abilities ‘because Perez was able to do it’.

    DRS gave Perez a weapon that Hamilton didn’t have on the last lap, and it was because of that that Perez was able to get past Hamilton on the back straight, but it doesn’t take away from how well Perez did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    No, there was no DRS on the last lap but even if there was, DRS wouldn’t have been active where Verstappen made the move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Gamb!t




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Good old change.org. Has it ever actually managed to change anything??

    In other news I see the latest thing being complained about is Checo having the audacity to hold up Hamilton in the first place. Apparently because he had the slower car he was unsportsmanlike.


    The sooner people move on and start looking forward to 2022 the better it will be for everyone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    I said by the time the field passed the Marshalls were off track - you then countered this with an image before the field had fully passed - you know full well that within 3 seconds of the frame you took all those marshalls were behind the barrier and well outside of the firing line - if lapped cars were allowed to go after they passed this spot the marshalls would certainly have comfortably been long gone by the time they got around a lap later.

    And, as I mentioned, when the actual blockage is cleared and there's nothing on the racing line, it is perfectly normal for cars to go at VSC speeds, as happens on many occasions. This is why people like Vettel and Alonso who know what they're talking about were so confused and incredulous on their radio at normal procedure not being followed.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Malik Rhythmic Backyard


    They love a good petition across the Irish Sea.

    Unfortunately for them, there's nothing the House of Commons can do about the result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    Bourdais holds a long standing grudge against Christian Horner from when he was sacked by Red Bull so there's no surprise there. I wonder since he was so appalled by Perez having the audacity to defend in racing conditions, how he felt about Bottas deliberately slowing down behind the safety car to delay Verstappen and allow Hamilton a free stop in the previous race - something that was, unlike what Perez did, completely against the rules.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,464 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Must watch again, but did Lewis’s defence on Max on the inside seem a little weak, even non-existent?



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