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Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Yes but it feels dirty. Shouldn't happen. It's like Suarez blocking a goal with a deliberate handball and then winning as the penalty is saved.

    It goes against the spirit of sport and fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Well there's no doubt the rules can be changed, Michael Masi showed that very clearly today.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Malik Rhythmic Backyard


    Same story in every thread I ever see him in - an endless stream of drivel.

    Take no notice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I wanted Max to win so yeah was great :D Just not fair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Hamilton binned it in Imola and was a lap down but because his team mate is so useless and was fighting with a Williams and they crashed Hamilton was able to limp back to the pits, repair the damage, change tyres and unlap himself under red flag conditions and finish 2nd.


    Hamilton at Silverstone put Max in the wall, got a free tyre change and damage repaired under a red flag he caused and won the race.


    So that's 43 points in his favour. Today wouldn't matter if the rules as you say were changed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    The way Toto speaks to Masi, it's like a manager speaking to an employee who's messed up a presentation. It's a bit odd. Shows how familiar they all are (along with Horner).

    I sincerely doubt that Masi has all 10 team bosses on his case and permanently on his headset during the race. It needs to be stopped. He should be going through a steward who then decides to let the boss through to Masi.

    Someone above suggested a team of permanent stewards going race to race. This is worth a try for a couple of years as the current system is broken and is too open to abuse.

    Masi has to go. I said it here several weeks ago. He's not fit to do the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    If he cares about the climate he should retire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Replace Masi with who? Is the issue the RD or the regs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭dmakc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Verstappen ended the season on the most points, Yes

    Did he win it, dubious, it feels more like he was handed a win by poor decision making that went against the sporting regulations.

    As I said before if Masi wanted it to be decided as a race then he should have red flagged it with 2 laps to go, restart from the grid, one lap formation lap and one lap racing. All on whatever tyres they could muster and that would be the end of it, but the decision was erred there was no way Hamilton could compete on old hard tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Safety cars are an element of almost every race, teams build strategies around it.

    Last week RB gambled by leaving Max out there’d be another stop and lost, Mercedes lost on their strategy this week.

    If Mercedes had nailed the strategy, with the car they have, losing the lead they had wouldn’t have mattered so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Whole lot to digest after that! Hamilton got the rub of the green a couple times this year and max certainly got it today, does it even up for the season? I'd say just about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Yes I know they do, but that doesn't mean it's right.

    It's about racing at the end of the day and a safety car shouldn't impact the final result so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Nothing dubious about it. Look back at where hamilton had huge slices of luck under SC or red flag conditions. Bottas being slightly less useless at Imola and he isn't going wheel to wheel with a Williams and Hamilton finishes 8th-10th at best. Instead he got 2nd because he lucked out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    If Masi wanted to follow the rules then the race ends under safety car.

    If he wanted it to end under racing conditions, then he says that the cars won't be unlapped and restarts the race.

    Either way would have been acceptable. What is unacceptable is the hodge podge bollocking he decided to actually go with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Seeing the mechanics leg it out at the back is amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    It's nothing remotely like that. Hamilton taking out Verstappen in Silverstone then winning anyway because the penalty was inadequate was like that. Mercedes taking a penalty for putting a new engine in the car in Brazil then winning anyway because the benefit of the engine was greater than the cost of the penalty was like that.

    The closest football analogy to this would probably be a freak deflection leaving someone with an unexpected chance on goal which they score, it's just something that happens in sport. Safety cars happen and allow the field to close up, that's how motorsport works. Nobody at Red Bull did anything wrong, they made the absolute most of the circumstances, made the correct strategy call and pulled off a great overtaking move in the single lap they had to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Liberty owns F1 and has the FIA in it's pocket and Brawn has Masi by the balls so there could have been no other outcome today given the circumstances. It's all about entertainment and global audiences now folks. So what if the rules get bent a little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,393 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ok if he is only doing for the optics on the podium then I understand. I thought you were just against him wearing a mask



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,393 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Funny enough the race director used the "it's about racing" argument and not wanting to end the season on a safety car to justify his decision to Mercedes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    It's dubious in the fact that the way it ended was neither. If it were red flagged then there would have been no doubt. But allowing only the cars between 1st and 2nd to unlap and then not having the complete lap before the safety car went in was against FIA rules.

    Yes you can be lucky or unlucky with safety cars and yellow flag incidents but up until this afternoon they were allowed to play out according to the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    To all the people moaning and complaining. The championship wasn't won on the last lap of the Abu Dhabi GP. It was won at Monaco, Zandvoort, Austin, Mexico, Imola and numerous other races.

    It was nearly lost through absolutely no fault of his own at Baku at Silverstone and at Hungary, but Red Bull got the rub of the green for once today and made the absolute most of their opportunity so ultimately it wasn't lost.

    Verstappen has led more laps this year than the entire rest of the grid combined, he's broken the all time record for number of podiums in a season and, aside from one tyre blowout and being hit by Mercedes three times, he's finished every single other race in the top 2, winning more than half of them.

    To say the championship should be somehow taken off him because Michael Masi didn't tell a couple of backmarkers to overtake the safety car quickly enough is absolutely beyond comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Last week hamilton said there shouldnt be a safety car after mick schumacher ploughed into a safety barrier and damaged it.

    This week he wanted the safety car to continue to the end of the race so he wouldnt have to race Max for the last lap.

    Hypocritical nonsense from hamilton. How fantastic that verstappen beat him, mercedes had the way better car but red bull had the better racing driver.

    Well done red bull and max!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    No it was won and lost in Abu Dhabi, the rest of the season was the lead up to an enthralling final race that was let down by dubious decisions of a race director



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    How many people in this thread have said the title should be taken off him?

    Probably about as many who think Hamilton intentionally tried to kill another driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I think as it’s clear that they wanted to finish the race with actual racing, it probably would have been more straightforward to start racing again without any of the back markers unlapping themselves.

    Ultimately though, would it have made a difference? While it would mean Max would have had to clear them, he probably would have had 2 full laps then instead. I can’t really see any way that changes the result. And I think if that had happened people would still complain and think the race should’ve been red flagged anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    In the last race hamilton questioned and disagreed with his teams tyre strategy, he questioned his teammate bothas. Hamilton may thank all and sundry after the race when he has the chance to rethink and go heavy on the PR but he's as ungenuine as it gets.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    In the last race Hamilton questioned the tyre strategy in the heat of the moment because Max was on mediums.

    At the end of the race, when he won, the first thing he did was acknowledge the call the team made with the tyres.

    Christ some people expect Hamilton to be superhuman and make zero mistakes ever.

    Earlier this week Max was talking about how everyone is out to get him and yet he got the rub of the green today. Does that make Max 'ungenuine' (lol)?

    No, it makes him a human, with actual feelings and emotions.

    Like I said, Max wins and people still can't get Hamilton out of their heads, even when he does the right thing like he did today.

    Obsessive and weird.



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