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Glanbia spinout 2021/2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    I think they are really under-estimating the discontent among suppliers, if I was to make a bet I'd say they won't get it through, it's all to vague and wishy washy the spiel coming out of Jim, chatting a a good friend thats in alot of glanbia suppliers yard daily, no one he's came across is voting yes, the online voting might back-fire too as the older generation of dry shareholders might not bother registering to vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Maybe their hoping with the ads that it will get dormant suppliers to vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,337 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Is the voting only at a certain time? I know the meeting starts at 2. I'm away at something else that day and don't want to be faffing around listening to crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Cannot see any benefits to the proposal.

    why would you sell shares in the profitable growth part of the business and take ownership of the low margin business.

    one question what can the co op do if the deal goes through that they can’t do today.

    I have yet to hear one thing of substance that they can do if they are a 100% co op



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


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    Would farmers be in a better position to put a stop to this product destruction if they fully owned the coop?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭atlantic mist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    What sort of exclusivity deals will be attached to this sale?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Absolute madness if the coop will have its hands tied regarding where or to whom it can sell its product..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Dad got a call urging us to register and vote in favour of this. Glad I found this thread as I respect the opinions here far more. Will be voting against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,337 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Got a phone call here too and a few texts. Registered yesterday.



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  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Registered also and have had calls and visits

    I've reservations about the price,the investment fund and the why now

    However I'm minded to vote yes because I want farmers interests to be in control of our Co-Op again and NOT the financial markets

    Farmers ultimately will have a substantial say in the investment fund via the board without reference to the plc or banks

    I also like the idea of funds independent of banks being available

    Also it seems the formal 3% margin requirement which was always a shackle wanted by the markets is going ,in favour of a more flexible approach to profit,not Rigid as we have now

    To date that's been a milstone, a roadblock stopping suppliers being able to question good profits but a not so good milk price relatively

    My own view is having divorced itself from what markets see as a drag (the CoOp), plc shares will probably rise,somewhat cancelling out the loss of some Coop ownership in value terms

    Thats my thinking at the moment, totally setting aside frustrations that while there don't add to the positive or the moving forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    If the co-op suddenly finds itself saddled with financing the buyout from borrowings and then the aware palnt aswell, if it goes through, that's circa 300 odd million of fresh debt, that's going to be paid by the cow, another sidebar re fertiliser prices etc, would it not be prudent to keep any rainy day money to get suppliers over the spring, extend credit etc then financing this deal....



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Glanbia borrow at 0.1%, it's an AAA entity as will GII outright owned by the CoOp

    Something will have to be done on fertiliser yes (like an extended credit scheme)

    Forces against that are in the markets, not the Coop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Cheap money is going to be a thing of the past very shortly if china implodes like is been flagged, if the co-op can lock in fixed rates well and good, but if its variable, the sh**t will hit the fan...



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AAA borrowers borrow at government rates basically and in similar ways,with lumps refinanced regularly

    I'd have thought having an investment fund via a percentage of shares likely to grow in value before being accessed is a good tool to have when re negotiating terms for loans

    Also,AAA status isn't handed out lightly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    its udder madness

    we cant sell whey protein in america (96%of ingredients is our whey they add in 4% minerals and charge a whopping premium) or we cant sell our own butter in america as the PLC owns the truley grass fed brand and we cant compete with a customer.....how our management team allowed this is beyond me..suppose to be a clean break but its like a divorse with a heap of conditions....there is a good reson we get paid such a poor milk price and its been dirty antics like this out of the PLC....hope the pension funds take note

    jim doesnt seem to be able to stand up for us in these senarios....or doesnt have the vision to create the truley grass fed instead of giving the plc the huge margin and riding the suppliers, he is not the man who should be running both our coop and GI

    its a bit of a dirty one siobhan and jim pulled on oranua......its not us the coop or GI selling the truley grass fed brand its the plc so nothing to do with us "they are a customer just like oranua", they think they are smarter than the rest....but they are peddling the bike backwards with annoncement the coop will buy GI without shares...now they will do share buyback.....chairman thinks time is right to sell.....not good for future prospect of plc if he thinks we should sell now....hope is time is up if this fails



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    White lies re not using shares for purchase on latest information meeting they'll either be sold next year our used as collateral for borrowings, he's lying through his teeth trying to get this over the line, just look at how they hoodwinked liquid milk suppliers who took up the scheme to exit, and didn't receive anything like what was talked about compensation wise, the share buy scheme is serious messing to, and now you realise they had this all mapped out years ago before they announced the split up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    ya what annoys me is i asked why they didnt buy the 100% on the first spin out instead of drip feeding it to us

    jim and or siobhan both said they had no interest in doing that and they wanted to keep the ties as glanbia are a worldwide recognisable company, they are either riding the plc shareholders or the coop shareholders on this...debt can be secured cheaply and we were to have comfort knowing our cheque was gaurenteed by plc cheque book no matter how bad things got ....jim didnt want brands...now he does...

    if i had known the same as top table i wouldnt have bothered building facilities and id have bought coop shares instead, id love to get a look at the coop register see where the huge share purchases have occured and then have a look at the plc shareholding....how can coop memebers be objective for the coop if they hold a large volume of shares.....all directors should be made reduce shareholding to avg on appointment, its easy to fix coop ethos

    jim has a huge pot of plc shares also, serious conflict of interest there

    got call from GI rep supposably there is a .6c milk increase if it goes through, they are unbelievable....of course i couldnt get that in writing....you know what they say a mans word is only as good as the paper its written on....employees of GI should NOT be taking sides and pushing this

    jim wants to get it done as he and siobhan wouldnt be around for ever....jesus wept.....thats right no one could come up with a better deal than ye, cocky out



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reason they didn't buy the entire at the start,which they should have done is because of the very simple reason that they wanted to do it tied in with other things bit by bit

    It was in my view always the intention to off load the Agri business but in a way that loosened the grip the Coop has on the plc-its a drag share price wise

    It works both ways on that score

    Behind the hype,they are mutual enemies in the sense of having different priorities

    Having plc actors on the board of the Coop has been an enemy of the farmer

    Regarding what's been said in the last few posts,you need to outline not just the mistakes of the past few decades but HOW voting no will change that rather than making it WORSE

    The accountability improves immediately on a yes vote on the other hand with the jetisoning of market influences



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,337 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Meeting starts at 2 which go on for at least an hour, voting then for 15 minutes. Not really dairy farmer friendly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Nice little disclaimer, to have, so their telling us lies sorry "cautionary statements....

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  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Theres nothing cautionary towards farmers though when it comes to plc control in our business

    The 40% tail currently wags the dog



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    In reality the idea of a divorce isn't wrong but the timing is just crazy, these zoom meetings and information webinars are gaslighting, their needs to be in person discussion where the likes of Jim Bergin can be pinned down on issues and have to give guarantees/explain himself if he can't...

    Their is just to much turmoil in the world now be it on money markets/inflationary pressures that haven't been witnessed since the 70's, along with uncertainties over the aware joint venture to be ramming this through, I'd rather put up with a few more years of the plc been on the scence, just for the fact of the precieved financial security it gives with access to finance etc



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have the opportunity to vote No

    All I'm saying is it should be for the right reason

    The vote is not a referendum on Bergin or where we are now

    The decision to vote yes or no should be on the merits of the proposal

    If it was a referendum on Bergin,past milk price etc ,we'd be voting no for ever to everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Surprised there was no comments on this today. When is the result known.

    any new info at meeting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,337 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Vote is next Friday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Ah that makes more sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    never believe one word jim bergin says or tells you he is a master in lies and spin



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  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Two council members have quit in Wexford

    One of them was canvassing strong for a yes vote up until recently and is now canvassing for a no vote

    My vote is still yes based on the proposal

    Its not a referendum on personalities or on what's been decided in the last decade

    If anything the last decade of the tail wagging the dog is what we are voting to end

    In my opinion

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