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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Nor does lying, like you did just now about Eamon wanting everyone to move to cities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Not really my problem if you can't understand the english. Even if a "dingus" like me can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    High fuel costs end in inflation and job losses,Either oil drops by itself or the government will be forced to cut the tax,

    Credit crunch and shaky banks usually follow,



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I guess we're going to find out if your prediction is correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Markus fails at the internet again. You made a ridiculous charge, the evidence proffered not only doesn't meet the charge, it's abundantly obvious you concocted something Ryan never said and weren't prepared when someone knew you were lying.

    I put it up to you Geronimo and you failed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    I'll make a guess at June/July next year for us to officially be in recession



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The evidence I provided that Ryan is looking to urbanise the country is sound. Deny he's against ruralisation at your peril.

    You still haven't shown me the IPCC data that allows them to say we have "Unequivocal" evidence that humans are to blame for climate change.

    You also mentioned above that some of the "best minds" are behind climate change science. Care to credit any of these "best minds"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Get up the yard. No one "threatened" your wife's employment status veiled or otherwise. I couldn't care less what she, you or anyone else does for a living. I'd ask that you withdraw but I'm content to just float you're being an oaf who's losing a debate badly and are throwing any slur you can.

    Mods will probably clean this up (and yours btw), but I'll just say up your standards as a poster. You're frenzied climate change denial and bizarre circular conspiratorial arguments are one thing, the above is something else entirely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Fail again.

    Your charge: "Ryan wants to force people to the cities"

    The evidence proffered: Ryan talks about the revitalization of rural villages and towns

    The verdict: You make things up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    COVID-19 strikes again. The reason for and cause of everything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    He is absolutely looking to force people into cities. A war on combustion engines, looking for idiotic "ultra light rail" systems in favor rural infrastructure is forcing people into cities.

    I have provided ample evidence now to back up my claims. You (much like a climate "scientist") have given me nothing to support yours. But I do admit that's the state of affairs of arguing with alarmists and those who idolise 16 year old school skippers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Markus. You made it up. Not only did Ryan never say he wants to "force people to move to the cities", the man doesn't even think it. The article you quoted has him talking about revitalizing the rural villages and towns that really sustain country life. Not just did you fail to meet the charge you made, the article you posted proves his stance that he wishes to see the revitalization of Irish rural life.

    You made it up and you're being silly. Own it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Ok so you are admitting defeat by refusing to provide any evidence relating to the data the IPCC presented linking humans to climate change. Such faith you have in weak/non-existent evidence.

    Can you point me to the post where I claim Ryan said he is going to "force people to move to the cities". If you accuse people of lying, you need to get your own records straight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Played part of it but there were problems emerging before Covid, Happenings in the Ukraine may change things for the worse very quickly,

    I'm just stating that a lot of the things that led up to the 2008 crash are happening again,



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    "Well Eamon Ryan has said before that he wants everyone to move to the cities and send wolves back to the country-side". 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Post 2854 made at 4:17pm from your own fingers:

    "Well Eamon Ryan has said before that he wants everyone to move to the cities and send wolves back to the country-side"

    Are you completely oblivious to what you're posting?

    As for the IPCC, fire up Yahoo Search and do the work yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Great, you are admitting that I did not quote Eamon Ryan as saying he is to "force people to move to the cities", even though you said I did.

    And you have failed to present the resounding evidence linking humans to climate change. Even a screenshot of your own Yahoo search no? This isn't going too well for you is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    🤣🤣

    Read the IPCC report. It may as well just say Markus Antonius is the most wrong person in the history of the internet. It makes a fool of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I actually feel sorry for climate change denialists at this stage. Expending so much energy backing not only a marginal conspiracy theory, but in the face of one of the greatest scientific consensus ever assembled from across the scientific academy. Trying to sniff out conspiracies and gotcha points dancing on the heads of pins against people who have dedicated their entire lives to understanding the science of the phenomenon of global warming at the greatest seats of learning in the world, and they actually have the conceit and pig-headed arrogance to think they see something these minds don't and it's all a political ruse. Sifting through the blogs of cranks and political extremists to find some morsel that they can frame that the phalanx of global science is not only wrong, but engaged in a decades-long plot to make the price of a tank of unleaded more expensive for some no-name looper in the back arse of Ireland.

    Genuinely sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I'm not the one who entered the debate on a high-horse thinking he'd throw the magic "book of science" at the rural cave-dwellers. It backfired on you and backfired badly.

    Just shows that scraping the surface with a spade is enough to reveal the hollow foundations you lay your claims. But I'm the fool, yes 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The "greatest scientific concensus" and you neglect to credit any of the "great minds" behind it.

    Looks like none of these "great minds" got the memo on how the scientific method works and just leap-frogged to the conclusion stage. But I guess it got them the funding so who cares about credibility... 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I refer you to post #2894 Markus. There are a lot better things to be doing with your life than to be engaging in sad conspiracy theories. Your point of view, if we can call it that, is so marginal as to be ranked alongside the flat earthers of old.

    If you have any sense, someday you'll look back at getting your blood-up and engaging in conspiracy theories as an embarrassing chapter in your life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Ever heard of "peer review"? "Great minds" get you nowhere without this I'm afraid.

    Conspiracy theorist? I'm not the one who thinks a "no-name looper in the back-arse of Ireland" can change the climate with a '92 Massey Ferguson. 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Governments can only tax fuel as much as they do because the productivity gains though using it are more efficient than alternative means. A simple example to illustrate the point is the growth of Massey Ferguson tractors post WWII, once farmers immediately saw the labour, time and financial savings to be made over using horses, they switched quickly. There is a limit to how much the government can tax and once a person can no longer be sufficiently productive in the modern state we either switch to a combination of government welfare programs and/or drawing down savings. What happens if you when you have consumed all the seed for next years crop? Maybe you can borrow from your neighbours but they expect a return on investment and you are less productive . . . there is a trade-off.

    The parties that make up the government (and not just the Green party) want to move everyone to consuming energy via a secondary source: electricity. They want to restrict or eliminate our ability to consume primary energy sources specifically coal, oil, gas, wood and turf. All the BEVs on the road in Ireland today use secondary energy generated by various combinations of coal, gas, wind, water and nuclear (UK inter-connector).

    The debate that is being avoided is what are the trade-offs or gains (labour, time and financial savings) in efficiency by pursuing current net-zero energy policy?

    The premise that net zero policy is going to change the weather cannot be rationally quantified in any meaningful or reliable way. The climate alarmists draw their own conclusions that are unsupported by real world empirical measurements, alarmists are closer to the religious vision of the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse from the book of Revelation. They neglect that warming cycles in past millennia have been periods of economic prosperity and science measurements show a greener world, it is not a one way trade. The rational optimists i.e. sceptics argue is is better to adapt to changing conditions as needed since future conditions are not known, why waste resources today that impede your ability to cope in the future.

    If you want to argue that covering the countryside and coastlines with wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity will change the weather, this argument does not hold for several reasons. All that happens in this scenario is switching from drilling for fuel (oil and gas) to mining (iron, rare earth minerals, lithium, cobalt etc. etc), you still need coal to make steel. You can develop an argument that hydro-carbon based fuel sources are scarce and should be used wisely and that having a diverse source provides better energy security, you also have to explain the trade-offs in such choices.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This was 'thanked' by two other posters. You're a bunch of absolute muppets. The IPCC produce Massive reports every 6 years, they're up to their 6th one now. These are thousands of pages long and represent an assessment of all of the scientific evidence relating to climate change causes and impacts.

    Any 'skeptic' who pretends that there hasn't been any evidence provided that humans have been causing climate change is an utter clown

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Another alarmist who hasn't opened a single page of the bible they preach from.

    Any snippet at all of data that shows how humans are destroying the planet would be great, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,606 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I do not know what this village you supposedly were raised in taught you, but it certainly wasn`t the economic realities of village life. Villages and towns do not sustain country life. The never have. The are not, nor have never been self contained economic units as they produce nothing. They are service based entities that rely on the rural communities within their catchment area to sustain them.

    Not overly surprised that you believe the opposite to be true. It`s par for the course on woolly-headed cart before the horse green ideology



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Planet Rural Ireland, where climate change and the biodiversity crisis are inventions of Eamon Ryan to persecute them



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