Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

He isnt the coach to bring Munster to the next level. What is the evidence that keeping him will actually get Munster any further so if not then why persist with him. Munster havent used anywhere near enough of the improved academy under van grann. he has led Munster to scrape through to latter stages of competition only then to fail without doing enough

he's picked his own coaches, been able to sign some very big name players and still not got any further so why keep him when he isnt going to bring the success.

Tangential to this, I'm reading the Keith Earls book at the moment. He had a line where he reckoned one fundamental problem in Munster's lack of success was the turnover of coaches. He also reckoned the best ever Munster performance he was involved with was the Clermont game last year.

I get there's a "what do you expect a current player to say" element to it, but both of those things go in JVG's favour.

Another interesting point was the level of detail and stats he went into that were measured, just on his speed. It gave an insight into the amount of metrics that must be monitored for every game and training session. It'd give you pause for thought, especially when you see rudimentary pass, tackle and carry stats being rolled out on here as definitive proof Player X should be replaced by Player Y.

we've reached continuous semi finals(and finals) under JVG, only losing to leinster sarries and Toulouse?

There's been improvement, and we've only lost to the best in europe in that year.

Changing coach now and uprooting the entire system wont bring us any closer to success, it'll only push us back years

What stats on his speed? His acceleration and his times over different distances? Like, 10m up to 150m, maybe?

Counter movement jumps for leg strength, fastest time over 10m, fastest time over 30m, max metre's per second hit during games from their GPS trackers.

The stats pretty much bear out that Munster have been better during JVG's tenure. In Europe, they have 2 SF appearances vs 2 QF appearances, Munster invariably getting knocked out by the winner or runners-up.

Domestically, I spelled out as much in the following post recently to a certain poster who contended Ulster were better:

This was before Ulster's recent win in the RDS, so kudos to them for that, mind.

To be clear, I'm the same, if he decides to go or Munster decide they want to try another coach then I'm fine with that but I've watched coaches come and go at Munster and we've seen no success so I'm not one of those who thinks far away fields are greener.

Both of these points are stupid arguments really.

It would be interesting to see Joe Smith coaching Munster.

The man goes out of his way to call foreign players such as Vakhtang Abdaladze, Alexis Soroka and Christiaan Johan Stander by their full titles, but then spells Joe Schmidt as Joe Smith .